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November 15, 2011
1689
Baptists and WCF Calvinists ARE WORLDS apart on predestination
1689.3.3
- 'By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and
angels are predestined, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus
Christ,(7) to the praise of His glorious grace; others being left to act in
their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His glorious justice. (9)
WCF.3.3
- 'By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and
angels are predestinated unto everlasting life, and others foreordained to
everlasting death.
Please
read and compare. Whoever still insists that the 1689 CoF is just a copy of the
WCF is misguided.
WCF
states 'double predestination' - 'some men and angels are predestinated unto
everlasting life, and others foreordained to everlasting death.'
1689
states 'predestination' and 'preterition' - 'some men and angels are
predestined to eternal life... others being left to act in their sin to their
just condemnation.'
1689
Baptists and WCF Calvinists are worlds apart!
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Calvinists assert that God FOREORDAINED some to everlasting death. People end
up in everlasting death because God has decreed their everlasting death.
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1689 Baptists believe that God left some to act in their sin to their just
condemnation.
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Comments
Charles
What
about the Heidleberg confession or the Canons of Dordt, have you studied them?
how do they relate to the 1689 COF
Sing
No idea. I
have this understanding - of all those 'classic' Confessions of the period, the
latest of that period is the best... the most fine-tuned and accurate, not
infallible. So, I didn't bother studying the others. The comparison made above
is a fine example!
Sing
No,
sir. Who and what are the Primitive Baptists?
I
am a PB too... Pauline Baptist... that should be a suitable label.
Rob
Bro.
Sing, do you believe that God has both a " secret will " and a "
revealed will "? Just curious.
Regina
Bro.
Sing, please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is a "Pauline
Baptist"?
PJ
Walters
Bro.
Sing, for future reference, I am not against the 1689 BCoF; I simply have a
hard time with it often and can't always understand what definitions they are
using. I'm still going to study it more!
Sing
Pj
Walters, I didn't write the 1689 CoF... burn it and I won't give a hoot... but if
someone carelessly misrepresents it, I may give a honk-honk! <LOL>
That
document is not infallible... needless to say but there are always IDIOTS who
hurl that accusation! I have strong disagreement with some of its teaching...
don't ask.
I appreciate the 168 CoF for its systematic and logical order of setting out the teaching of the Scriptures.
Sing
Bro.
Sing, do you believe that God has both a " secret will " and a "
revealed will "? Just curious.
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Please
tell me first what is the 'secret will' and the 'revealed will' of God, then I
may be able to answer your question.
Thank
you.
Sing
Bro.
Sing, please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is a "Pauline Baptist"?
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I
don't know what it is exactly. People want to give me a label. I can't have the
copy-righted exclusive Primitive Baptist label... and I do positively abhor the
'C' or 'R' labels.
'Pauline' would be quite safe since Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles like me and I am agreeable to the Lord's teaching through him. And PB (i.e pauline) looks and sounds close to PB (particular baptist) and PB (pristine baptist!).
Cheri
Thomas
Now
I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all
speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be
perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
For
it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the
house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
Now
this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I
of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Is
Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of
Paul?
I
thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
PJ
Walters
Perhaps
"Christobaptist" would be a better name?
Sing
Pj
Walters, quickly patent the word 'Christobaptist' - you will be a million air
soon!
PJ
Walters
It
is not for worldly gain, Bro. Sing. Haha
Michael
what
does WCF stands for?
Sing
Westminster
Confession of Faith (1646) - by the Presbyterians.
