Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Thursday, September 27, 2018

Ma'am, are you a Calvinist?



Simple biblical truth:
- God purposed eternal salvation for His chosen people,
- Christ accomplished that eternal salvation for the same,
- The Holy Spirit freely and sovereignly applies that eternal salvation to each of the chosen people in God's own appointed time when they were still in their native state of sin and death, and in enmity against God.

The preaching of the gospel is God's ordained means of calling out His redeemed people, those to whom He has freely bestowed the eternal salvation, calling them to believe the truth of their salvation in Jesus Christ, make disciples of them, gathering them into the churches of Jesus Christ, teaching them that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, they should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.

This is simple and plain to minds that have not been poisoned by lies and soundbytes.

The free offer of salvation is just stupid (i.e. lacking common sense); in the offer, salvation is obviously and necessarily offered to those without salvation, even those dead in trespasses and sins; it is as clever as offering food to the dead.

There is no offer in the preaching of the gospel; there is the proclamation of the good news of what God has to save His people in Jesus Christ, calling the hearers to believe the truth of their salvation. Those that ARE SAVED among the hearers perceive the gospel as the good news of God's mighty power in saving them. To the rest, the same gospel is foolishness.

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The preaching of the gospel is brought to them that are saved, that have been saved - to whom the Holy Spirit has freely and sovereignly applied that eternal salvation when they were still in their native state of sin and death, and in enmity against God - calling them to believe the truth of their salvation by the free and sovereign grace of God.

Eph 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

Their salvation by God's free and sovereign grace is PRIOR and DISTINCT to their act hearing and believing the truth of their salvation; otherwise, there would be no truth of their salvation to believe.  They are called to believe what is ALREADY TRUE, not in order to make something come true.

Believe in order to make something come true is Arminianism as well as Calvinism.

Tuesday, September 25, 2018

Grace which is no grace

Arrange it any other way it would be no more grace!

September 25, 2013 at 10:00 PM
See exchanges here:
Which do you choose to believe:

- That God Himself directly applies the eternal salvation, secured by Jesus Christ for His own people, to the beneficiaries, or

- That God applies the eternal salvation to the beneficiaries through the activities of human preachers?

Which way is good news to you? Tell us why.

Is divine grace delivered through human hands still good news or not?
'G R A C E' in man's wobbly hands will be turned into something monstrous!

Take heed if you trust man's wobbly and filthy hands of handling divine grace in your eternal salvation!!! Take good heed.

Here is an article of faith of the XYZ Sovereign Grace Church.

"We believe the preaching of the Gospel to be the God-ordained means by which the God-ordained end is accomplished; that the Holy Spirit reveals Christ and all spiritual blessings in Him to God's elect and brings them to repentance and faith in Him through the preaching of Christ and Him crucified; that we must with every opportunity and means and in every place afforded us by the providence of God, proclaim the Gospel of God's free and sovereign grace in Christ; that in the Gospel, His sheep will by the Holy Spirit, hear His voice and follow Him."

What do you think of the article of faith?


Pj
I didn't read anything about regeneration in the article, but it seems to be ok.

Zhao
Too humanistic

Sing
Explain please, Teoh. Thanks.

Pj, is this ok with you, "that in the Gospel, His sheep will by the Holy Spirit, hear His voice and follow Him." The whole article is about this! 

Adam
Bro Sing, I think the phrase "hear his voice and follow him" is subject to interpretation. One may read it and understand follow him in a sense like "hear the voice of the son of God and live," whereas someone else may understand it to mean to follow him in discipleship.

I would assume they are referring to regeneration in that they say the gospel is the "God-ordained means by which the God-ordained end is accomplished." I reckon a bit more explanation would be fitting.

Pj
It does not explicitly state that "all His sheep will" but that "His sheep will." Further, maybe my understanding is tainted, but that seems to me to be about conversion, not regeneration.

Sing
"that in the Gospel, His sheep will by the Holy Spirit, hear His voice and follow Him."
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Is the living giving voice of Christ heard through the gospel ministry?
That's my question!


Pj
No, that is not how I understand it; but the author of that statement may have.

"In the exercise of the authority which has been entrusted to Him, the Lord Jesus calls to Himself from out of the world, through the ministry of His Word, by His Spirit, those who are given to Him by His Father, so that they may walk before Him in all the ways of obedience which He prescribes to them in His Word. Those who are thus called, He commands to walk together in particular societies or churches, for their mutual edification, and for the due performance of that public worship, which He requires of them in the world." 1689.26.5

Sing
The new school fullerite RBs will take 1689.26.5 as concrete evidence that the old school baptists held to gospel regeneration. How would you respond to that claim?

Pj
Firstly, that the effectual call is already previously addressed in that confession. Secondly, that this is for the regenerate elect to be called not effectually: for that is prerequisite to this; but by the outward ministry of the word.

Robert
Sovereign Grace Baptists are Presbyterians who dunk basically in their theology:)
Only the old Baptists teach and preach the truth about eternal salvation.

Sing
1689.26 is about gathering the effectually called elect into NT churches.

Besides, 1689.20.4 states categorically:
"Although the gospel be the only outward means of revealing Christ and saving grace, and is, as such, abundantly sufficient thereunto; yet that men who are dead in trespasses may be born again, quickened or regenerated, there is moreover necessary an effectual insuperable work of the Holy Spirit upon the whole soul, for the producing in them a new spiritual life;(8) without which no other means will effect their conversion unto God.(9)"

"Without which no other means will effect their conversion unto God."

We must not let the new school fullerites hijack the confession of the old school baptists!!! Show them that they believe contrary to what the old school believed!

Pj
***conversion unto God***
Distinct from regeneration!

Sing
Yes, yes, yeeeeeeeeeees!
The ministry of the word has to do with the conversion of God's children unto God, not their quickening out of their native state of death!


The old school fathers were far more logical and sound than the bastards who claim to be their descendants!!!

The gospel that is full of soundbyte but no good news at all!

A gospel that is full of sound bytes
but has no good news for
those dead in trespasses and sins

Sing
September 25, 2012 ·
Take a look at this picture below.
How much gospel do you see in the alliteration of G..... O..... S..... P..... E..... L.....?


What would you put for G..... O..... S..... P..... E..... L..... that we may have the gospel of God indeed?

Nicky
This would be John 3:16 condensed:
G God’s
O only
S Son
P procured
E eternal
L life

Here's what I came up within 5 minutes, but I think it's pretty lousy too.
G God’s Glory is really what it’s all about. (Rom. 9:23; 11:36; 15:7; Col. 1:18)
O Only Jesus saves. (Acts 4:12; 1 Tim. 2:5)
S Spirit-regeneration is required. (Jn. 3:3, 8; Tit. 3:5)
P Personal faith and repentance of sins is required. (Acts 20:21; Lk. 13:3, 5)
E Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. (Rom. 10:13; Acts 2:21)
L Life eternal is promised to those who persevere in the faith. (Mt. 24:13; Jn. 3:36; 2 Tim. 2:12; 1 Jn. 3:14)

Jerry
Not much "gospel" in the alliteration, Bro. Sing...


Sing
Go into all the world... where is the gospel in this?
Can you tell me why?

Obedience required... is HARDLY any gospel, isn't it? Can you fulfil it?
Can you tell me why?

The salvation provided... what's the condition to get it? Can you meet it?
Can you tell me why?

Preaching is commanded... what good does that do to sinner dead in trespasses and sins?
Can you tell me why?

Eternal life is promised... and what must one do to get it?
Can you tell me why?

Love has provided it... what is it.... and how is it good news to anyone?
Can you tell me why?

Sing
Nicky wrote
What is the Gospel? (simplified)
1. The Gospel has its origin in God.
2. The Gospel has to be contrasted with the bad news.
3. The Gospel has heralds.
4. The Gospel has recipients.
5. The Gospel has to be believed and obeyed.
6. The Gospel has a promise for those who believe and obey it.
7. The Gospel has, for its end, the glorification of God in the Person and works of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Is there any gospel here? Is there any good news in the above for sinners dead in trespasses and sins?

Seven statements ABOUT the gospel that has NO NO NO gospel in them!!!
Isn't that an amazing feat!

Sing
One possible content to the alliteration:
G... Good news of what God HAS DONE to save His people:-
O... Obedience for eternal salvation has been completely and perfectly rendered by Christ
S... Salvation is freely and sovereignly bestowed to each elect when they were dead in trespasses and sins. Pardon and peace are secured by the blood and righteousness of Christ
E... Eternal life is freely bestowed to the dead through the regenerating work of the Spirit.
L... Live and love the Lord who has saved you to the uttermost!

Nicky
That's great, Sing! May I have your permission to reprint that? I really like it!

Jonas
1 ! .. :)

Sing
Nicky, no permission needed... God's truth... no copyright.

Jonas NOg, what does "..1 ! .. :) " mean?
Communicate to be understood, please!

Jonas
..:)1 faith, baptism, 1 GOD .. IN 3, 1 LORD .. 1 GOSPEL! :) TRYIN TO ECONOMIZE AFTER A VERY LONG COMMENT OF YOUR POST :)..xie xie bro.sing. m irritable a bit.. bothered by my allergy rhinitis .. but u'd keep me upbeat.. thanks:)

Sing
Often we hear the offer of the gospel...
The gospel can't possibly be offered. It can be proclaimed. The salvation which the gospel declares is not offered.
The offer of salvation is no good news whatsoever - those without salvation are spiritually dead, and hostile to the gospel, and the gospel is FOOLISHNESS to them. Try offering a loaf of bread to a dead man!

The salvation which was purposed by God and accomplished by Jesus Christ is freely and sovereignly applied to each elect personally by the Triune God. That results in a good news to be heralded, and God's children are called upon to believe the truth of their salvation by God's free and sovereign grace.

The gospel is the good news of what God HAS DONE to save His people. And such are called to believe what God has ALREADY done for them; to believe the truth of their salvation.

Nicky
That was beautiful. I agree with every part of it EXCEPT, (as we've already discussed), I would take issue with the phrase "God's children" in the statement: "That results in a good news to be heralded, and GOD'S CHILDREN called upon to believe the truth of their salvation by God's free and sovereign grace." and the word "such" in the statement: "And SUCH are called to believe what God has ALREADY done for them."

I, as you know, would simply call upon all men everywhere to repent and believe the good news, and if they do, then it's proof that they are one of the elect. And of course, I would not be telling all men everywhere "Jesus loves you and died for you and has a wonderful plan for your life."

Nicky
12 years ago I wrote a little tract which, admittedly, is not perfect, but I think it has some strengths that are lacking in most tracts. It's hard to cover all the bases in one, short tract. In fact, for that very reason, I've written a dozen or so tracts through the years. But here is the first one I wrote (sans Scripture). Your suggestions for improvement are most welcome.
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God is love and has a special love for His own.

But God is holy too…just as holy as He is loving! You and I are not holy, but total sinners. Sin is independence from God.

The Bible says we all deserve to die for our sin; that proves how putrid sin is, and how just God is. Our sin puts us at enmity with a holy and righteous God.

But it’s not in God’s will that any of His own die. So, at His very own expense, God composed a glorious plan whereby the lives of those He chose would be spared, yet without compromising His need to still execute justice on sin. Since we could never satisfy God, God satisfied Himself by His perfect Son on behalf of those He chose—not because they were lovely, for they weren’t at all, but because of His unfathomable love! In the Person of Jesus Christ, God Himself stepped out of heaven, came to earth, and He Himself bore the consequences of the sins of many. On a torturous execution-cross, Jesus Christ willingly received the divine punishment as the sinless, sacrificial Substitute for many sinners by dying in their place. So the debt of sin has been purchased by the precious blood of Jesus for all those who trust in Him. God judged their sins and mine by treating His dear Son like us—the guilty ones! The barrier my sin created has all been removed, praise God! While I rightly deserve eternal condemnation, I was freely granted eternal pardon instead.

Not only has the penalty for my sins been fully paid for by the blood of Jesus, but the standard of absolute perfection that God demands has been performed by the life of Jesus. Not only are my sins removed by Jesus’ death, but they’re replaced with His perfect life. God legally transferred His righteousness into my life’s account, so that He can judge and receive me, no longer on the basis of my pitiful life, but on the basis of Christ’s perfect life on my behalf! For this reason, my acceptance before God is totally secure and unchangeable! How marvelous and profound!

Not only did Jesus live and die for sinners, but He victoriously arose from the dead three days later, conquering once and for all the power of sin and death and proving He reigns as The living, almighty, eternal, and exclusive way to God.

And so, the unspeakable result of all God did 2,000 years ago is that any person who wants to repent of his/her sins to trust in Jesus for salvation will receive the forgiveness of sins, freedom from the grip of sin, fellowship with God, a fulfilling life, and a future forever in Heaven. But it’s not automatic; God, by His sheer grace, must place you in a relationship with His Son, Jesus.

If you desire to be saved, then you must repent of (be willing to turn from) your sins as you place faith (child-like trust) in the Lord Jesus Christ.

In essence, you will be resonating what God is already doing in your life, for without Him you wouldn’t want to be saved. Simply turn your back on your sin and believe with your heart that Jesus died and rose again on your behalf and totally submit your life to Jesus as Lord. Humbly bow to God in prayer and surrender all your life over to Him this very moment!

To recap…God says all are guilty of sin and utterly helpless to save themselves. The penalty for sin is death. God chose to pay the penalty through Jesus' innocent blood for many sinners. (Jesus' perfect earthly life was also put to their credit.) Jesus was buried and rose from the dead, validating everything He said and did. Hence, everything needed to save sinners and bring them along to heaven (namely, payment for sin and a perfect life) resides completely in Jesus. God showed He has the power and love to save sinners. Do you want to know if Jesus died to save you? Here's the answer: For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13)

Will you call on the name of the Lord to be saved? God commands all sinners to repent and trust in Jesus for salvation. That is how to call on the name of the Lord to be saved. People go to hell because they chose to sin. People go to heaven because God chose to save them. Hell displays God’s wrath and power; heaven displays God’s love and grace.

Now it’s God Who saves—from start to finish and everything in between—by His grace and on the merits of His Son alone, not our own efforts or good works. Works can never save a person. God’s grace can never be earned or kept by good works. God will never owe you anything.

For all human achievement is fleshly and unacceptable to and unrewardable by God.

Confess Jesus as Lord TODAY because soon it will be too late and you will be without excuse.

Sing
Brother Nicky, you are concerned with the PRACTICAL MECHANICS of publicly heralding the gospel. In the nature of the case, the public heralding of the gospel, all the people in the audience are generally addressed, and that's true. There is no other way to publicly herald the gospel... unless the preacher is divine and knows exactly who are God's children and who are not in his audience... then he could specifically address them only.

I am dealing with the DIVINE INTENT of the gospel ministry. It has to do with God's children ONLY, and no one else.
The gospel ministry for the LIVING... FEED... FEED... FEED... them, said the Lord Jesus to Peter.

Sing
Brother Nicky @ "The gospel is the good news of what God HAS DONE to save His people. And such are called to believe what God has ALREADY done for them."

If the above is not the truth, then the ONLY other alternative you have left is this notion: you are calling upon those whom God has NOT saved through Jesus Christ, therefore still dead in trespasses and sins, to believe in Jesus Christ SO THAT God will save them.

What do you think?

Nicky
When I brought attention to the word "such" in the statement, "And such are called to believe...", I was talking about the same, practical mechanics about who to herald the gospel to. That is, I thought you were saying we only herald the Gospel to God's children, to "such" as are elect. You nicely clarified your position in that you didn't mean to say that we only herald the Gospel to such as are elect unless we are divine and know who they are. I do know somebody, Abraham-Ashley Juliot, who believes this way. He says you CAN know who the sheep are, by their appetite for the things of God. And those are the people we should be witnessing to. This seems to be a position which you do not hold. I'm glad you clarified that.

Sing
Nicky, I do believe Abraham-Ashley Juliot has a point. Jesus did say we are not to cast pearl before swine.
In the public proclamation of the gospel, we do not know who are God's children in the midst of the audience.
When the hearers respond to the preaching of the gospel, we have some indication of who are the sheep in the crowd.
So, it is true when he says you CAN know who the sheep are, BY THEIR APPETITE for the things of God... and then devote attention to such people. That, in fact, is the practice and custom of Apostle Paul.

Johnny
Let me jumble the letters, to reality, in human time, spiritually that is. Love of God #1. L. Go and Preach, the same, so. G and P, #2. Salvation and Eternal life is the same, so, S and E. #3. All from God, thus far. Leaving, the O, in obedience, man's "work" allowed, only by God, through His Spirit, in man. God's Love is First. God's Love is Spread by God through Preaching from Man. Man, having received Eternal Life from God, in God's time, certainly by Preaching, is no less God's doing. And Obedience to Love God and Love Man. How can a true believer Not obey, to be as God.

Ashley
Hello Nicky, If I may clarify, I do preach and teach the scriptures even for the proud soul. "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake." (Titus 1:10-12) However, there are times when we are to "...Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words." (Proverbs 23:9)

When I preach good tidings, I seek to follow the Spirit of the LORD God "to preach good tidings unto the meek... to bind up the brokenhearted... to proclaim liberty to the captives... to comfort all that mourn..." (Isaiah 61:1-3)

To all faint and weak souls, who are lost and fatherless. Behold, tidings of great joy. Jesus Christ has come to seek and save you. "...the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." (Lk 19:10) "...in thee the fatherless findeth mercy." (Hos 14:3) "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace." (Eph 1:7)

Blessings