The riches of His goodness, and forbearance and longsuffering
- stomaching all the nonsense of His children!
On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:03 AM, a brother Hawke wrote:Dear Pastor,
My queen listened to a bible study conducted by GC and I believe the speaker is not Pastor C as the voice and presentation is not his. As the points were laid forth, I concurred wholeheartedly but for the point 6 in which I have to stop listening and refer to the scriptures.
He refered to 1 Cor 10: 1ff and making a point that all passed under the same cloud like Moses and through the sea... baptised into Moses... ate the same spritiual food. However, to most of them God is not pleased for the bodies are scattered in the wilderness..the speaker illustrated this point to contend that those who fell to the wilderness were allowed to sin as yet will be saved even though their bodies were scattered to wilderness.
Is God an Author for sin, then?
1 Cor 10: 8,9 spoke on the sexual immorality and the action Phinehas has taken to kill that blatant of sexual immorality man and this man will be counted amongst the saints in heaven?
God forbids that the man under the cloud and passing through the sea shall be allowed to commit such blatant sin- where is the justice? where is honur for God?
Please correct me if I am wrong because these actions go against the holiness of God.. I know we have no part in our salvation but does the security of being elected gives a licence to commit even the deadliest of all sins. David and his sins, I accepted that he is in heaven because he repented. What about the 23k who falled to the wilderness, any repentance?
Thanks
hawke
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Date: August 13, 2007 2:08:52 AM GMT+07:00Dear Brother Hawke
I am glad to hear that your queen is listening to that bible study on unconditional salvation. I have listened it a few times some while ago. I have read carefully your mail above several times in order to grasp what you are actually saying. I do hope I have understood your concern... because I need to scratch where the itch is. Please let me make some comments. I want to be brief... so please ask further if you don't get what I am saying.
For the first matter, please have your Bible opened at 1Cor. 10.
1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they ['all our fathers'] drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them ['all our fathers']: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them ['all our fathers'] God was not well pleased: for they ['many' out of 'all our fathers'] were overthrown in the wilderness.
Please note most carefully the phrase 'all our fathers' in verse 1. This phrase defines the extent and the context of the 'all' that are spoken of in the following verses.
Please remember that Apostle Paul is writing to the Gentiles believers in Corinth. All those who crossed the Red Sea during the Exodus were chiefly Jews. To these Gentiles believers in Corinth, who among those that had crossed the Red Sea with Moses in the Exodus could be said to be their fathers? Surely NO natural Jews can in any sense be said to be the fathers of these Gentile believers in Corinth. Who then?
Apostle Paul is undoubtedly speaking specifically of the SPIRITUAL Jews among all those that crossed the Red Sea during Exodus. ONLY the SPIRITUAL Jews among all them that crossed the Red Sea constituted 'all our fathers' to those spiritual Gentiles of Corinth.
So Apostle Paul is NOT referring to ALL those, EVERY ONE without distinction, that crossed the Red sea under the leadership of Moses. Many were natural Jews... were never among the elect of God. "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28-29. "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." Roman 9:6.
With many of them (pronoun 'them' referring to 'all our fathers' in verse 1) God were not pleased. Many of them were among the Jews who sinned against God in the wilderness - in their sin of unbelief, idolatry, fornication. They were found in the company of the natural Jews who sinned, and were overthrown in the wilderness. And they were overthrown in the wilderness, along with the other natural Jews, i.e. they were visited by God's judgment of natural death for their sins in the wilderness.
Instead of entering into the natural rest of the beautiful land of Canaan, they ['many' among 'all our fathers'] died prematurely in the wilderness. They ( many among 'all our fathers) suffered the fierce wrath of God against their sins. They were truly God's children, but that did not exempt them for one moment from the fierce displeasure of God the Father against their sin. God overthrew them - cut them down in the wilderness. It is precisely they were not bastards, but God's children, that they were severely scourged and chastised... many even unto physical death.
God can't possibly be the author of sin. His holiness recoils against sins, His commandments THUNDER against sins, and His hot displeasure is pour forth against the sins of His very own children - to the extent of terminating their lives prematurely. God is certainly no author, nor condoner of sin, but the HATER and PUNISHER of sin.
Apostle Paul quoted the Exodus event as a stern warning for the SAINTS, God's children in Corinth - DON'T follow the examples of YOUR FATHERS... you shall suffer the same fate. You shall be overthrown by God just as many of them had been. God DIDN'T spare your fathers in the OT, so don't be deceived that He would spare you now if you provoke Him to wrath with your sins.
Verse 6: "Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted." They are abundant examples of the hot displeasure and wrath of God kindled against the sexual sins found among His children. "Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents." 1Cor 10:8.9. Apostle Paul was dealing with a real problem among the SAINTS of the church in Corinth.
Later in the chapter 11, Apostle Paul reminded the Corinthian believers that many of them were ALREADY dead because they abused the ordinance of the Lord's Supper. They handled holy things of God with unholy hands. "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep" [dead, overthrown by God's hot displeasure].
God terminated their earthly life. All these with whom God was displeased and put to sleep, they shall be woken up to eternal glory when Christ returned to be glorified in ALL His saints. So also many out of 'all our fathers' whom God overthrown in the wilderness. Ah, eternal salvation is indeed by God's free and unconditional grace.
Obedience DO LENGTHENS life. "My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee." Pr 3:2. Disobedience may provoke God to cut us off before our time." Our life span is not fixed or decreed.
Eternal salvation is indeed by God's free and sovereign grace. Temporal salvation is conditioned upon our obedience. Disobedience incurs the hot displeasure of God... and many of God's children were overthrown... destroyed in the temporal sense... deprived of enjoying temporal blessings.
God deals with His children (saved by His free and sovereign grace) at free moral agents, and hold them responsible for their actions under His moral government. Obedience brings blessings, disobedience bring curses. The Bible is full of these examples... both from the OT and the NT. Immorality incurred God's severe wrath... the same today if it is tolerated in the church.
God does not coerce or force His children. He works in them to will and to do. They are free moral agents... they must choose to obey or disobey... He does not condone sins... God reserves to sole prerogative to bless or punish accordingly. God positively commands them to do good; and He threatens against sins. God promises to bless obedience, and to punish sins. God persuades and motivates his children to obey His commandments... all of which make sins against God to be very grievous and heinous.
I hope these few thoughts are helpful. Chew off the meat that you can and leave the bones to the dogs. I had better stop before it gets too long.
Please feel free to ask further if I have missed any issue raised in your mail.
your brother and servant in Christ,
sing
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Date: August 13, 2007 11:26:00 AM GMT+07:00Dear Hawke,
Having written more generally in the previous mail, I will now give brief comments to your specific questions and 'statements' in your post below.
He referred to 1 Cor 10: 1ff and making a point that all passed under the same cloud like Moses and through the sea... baptized into Moses... ate the same spritiual food. However, to most of them God is not pleased for the bodies are scattered in the wilderness.., the speaker illustrated this point to contend that those who fell to the wilderness were allowed to sin as yet will be saved even though their bodies were scattered to wilderness.## The people spoken of in that whole passage is about 'all our fathers' to the Gentile believers in Corinth. They were spiritual Jews - those who were made partakers of Christ WITHOUT ANY CONDITION, they were blessed with eternal salvation by God's free grace WITHOUT ANY CONDITION. Many of those spiritual Jews did ACTUALLY sin against God in various and grievous ways... stated in verses 6-10.
"6 ¶ Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. [They rose up to play, they didn't rise to worship... they rose up to orgy and revelry. This is happening in so many churches... they PLAY... not worship.]
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
These are facts and evidence, no matter how we dislike to read them, no matter how disagreeable and contrary to our pet notions. SOME [not all] OF THEM ('all our fathers') - our spiritual fathers, did actually commit those grievous sins. These are facts and evidence, and they DO crush the silly LIE and FABLE that all God's children persevere in faith and holy living - a favourite fiction perpetrated by the 'reformed' folks.
Someone once stated, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
The other facts and evidence are also clearly stated: ALL SUCH 'were overthrown in the wilderness,' they 'were destroyed of serpents,' and 'were destroyed of the destroyer.'
Based on these facts and evidence, Apostle Paul warns all Christians in every generation not to go down the same road.
... that those who fell to the wilderness were allowed to sin as yet will be saved even though their bodies were scattered to wilderness.## God warned His children against the severe consequences of sinning. God deal with His children as free moral agents, and not as robots. God does not coerce His children from sinning. Neither does He force them to obey. Obedience has to be voluntary, a moral choice. And it is the responsibility of His children.
Is God an Author for sin, then?## God can't possibly be the author of sin. His holiness recoils against sins, His commandments THUNDER against sins, and His hot displeasure is pour forth against the sins of His very own children to the extent of terminating their lives prematurely. God is certainly no author, nor condoner of sin, but the HATER and PUNISHER of sin. From the very beginning God has declared plainly that the wages of sin is death... physical death, spiritual death and eternal death. God is the sole AUTHOR AGAINST sin.
1 Cor 10: 8,9 spoke on the sexual immorality and the action Phinehas has taken to kill that blatant of sexual immorality man and this man will be counted amongst the saints in heaven?## There is no indication one way or another whether that particular man was among 'all our fathers.' It goes against our natural idea and understanding that such a man should be counted amongst the saints in heaven. I do sympathize with such revulsion.
Still, the plain fact is, Apostle Paul did say that some among 'all our fathers' DID commit fornication. The blatant sexual immorality of that man, though very grievous, is certainly no more grievous than the fornication committed by the others among our fathers. This man certainly DID DIE the most horrible and disgraceful and humiliating death for his blatant sin. So let each child of God be warned... sin has its temporal penalty in this life. By the grace and mercy of God, the penalty of eternal death for sins has been fully, completely and wholly settled by Christ Jesus.
God forbids that the man under the cloud and passing through the sea shall be allowed to commit such blantant sin - where is the justice? where is honour for God?## God gives eternal salvation to each of His elect at His own appointed and approved time. And He gives this eternal salvation by His free and sovereign grace... we need to grow to understand the full implication of the last statement.
God gives clear commands to His children... stating the blessings of obedience and the curses for sins. He gives all sorts of motivation and encouragement to obedience. He gives all sorts of threats and deterrent against sins.
A child of God who freely choose to obey and do His Father's will shall be blessed. A child of God who choose to disobey and sins shall also be cursed - suffer temporal judgments in this life.
Grievous sins among His children, our fathers, DID OCCUR - "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." God most certainly DID NOT condone it nor approved it, though He 'allowed' such to take place. If He hadn't 'allowed,' none would have taken place.
God is just... as always, in all circumstances. God maintains His honor... as always, in all circumstances. He expects His children to live godly. He is just. He punishes His children who flirt and mess around with sins. His is still just.
But He saves His own elect by His grace and mercy... and this ALSO justly and honorably through His Son Jesus Christ. There isn't the slightest injustice, or dishonor in His doing so.
Please correct me if I am wrong because these actions go against the holiness of God.. I know we have no part in our salvation but does the security of being elected gives a licence to commit even the deadliest of all sins. David and his sins, I accepted that he is in heaven because he repented. What about the 23k who falled to the wilderness, any repentance?## Those acts of sins certainly do go against the holiness of God. Just because those acts of sin are obnoxious and abominable and heinous in the sight of God DOES NOT mean that God's children are NOT capable of committing them. It is precisely that God's children still have the inclination to commit such DEADLY sins, that Apostle Paul needed to deal with such matter and sternly warned the SAINTS in Corinth!!!
The security of being God's children DOES NOT give anyone license to commit even the least DEADLY of all sins - for example, a white lie, or murmuring. It is ONE thing to admit the fact that God's children DO SIN, and sometimes SIN in the most grievous manner... like committing the 'deadliest' of all sins. That is 1000 worlds of difference from saying that God's children, being eternally secure, have license to sin the deadliest of all sins; it is a 1000 worlds of difference from condoning any sin. I hope you see the great gulf between the two.
David repented... because God gives him room to repentance. He and Bathsheba could have been pierced through with a javelin too. His sin was no less grievous in the sight of God. The 23k in Num 25 were overthrown with no more room for repentance. Many of 'our fathers' were among them that committed WHOREDOM (Num 25:1) - God destroyed them.
2Ti 2:25 "In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth."
God's children do oppose the truth, and do themselves great harm. To admit so IS NOT the same as to condone such grievous sin and folly. That is why Pastor Timothy is instructed to work patiently and meekly to restore such.
Repentance is a work of God's grace... even for God's children, should they despise God's word, a time would come when there would be no repentance left... God give them up to suffer destruction in this life.
I hope these few thoughts help you to grasp the truth.
May our Lord bless you richly.
your brother and servant in Christ,
sing
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On Aug 13, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Hawke wrote:Dear Pastor,
I knew that is the understanding as its seems logical or as "all" as in the exodus period having taken the bread and drank from the rock. The bitter pill to swallow is blatant sins are allowed to be punished only in this life time and two thoughts are provoked in my mind right now:
a. Wow, the heart of God is sooooo biggggg and the extent of His love so wide that I am thoroughly forgiven even though I grieve the Spirit.
b. Let say... now knowing I would not be thrown into the pit of fire, I will go on displeasing God and the possible consequence is shortened and trouble- filled life. So what! I can be "pai kah chai" cantonese for useless and careless son and will be a prince or a friend in heaven. Can you imagine, the Spirit of life who can sear my conscience but cannot effect change because I will to disobey!
As I always understood the word "fathers" was used loosely to mean those of that generation and I understood not all were physically condemned to early death. These will part of the God's elect. I also cannot stomach the blatant actions of the man killed by Phinehas. What! in heaven with him. Emotions....as my sins though is not that drastic is still a sin and abominable to God. Let me have time to think of this truth.. I may have to reject this notion that everyone of the "fathers" are in heaven today.. May God help me.
Best regards
Hawke
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On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:33 PM, sing wrote:Dear Brother Hawke,
Keep talking... and thing will become clearer. "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." Mal 3:16.
My comments marked ## within your post below.
I knew that is the understanding as its seems logical or as "all" as in the exodus period having taken the bread and drank from the rock. The bitter pill to swallow is blatant sins are allowed to be punished only in this life time and two things conjures in my mind right now:## Verses 3 and 4 read thus:
"3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
Apostle Paul was not referring to natural manna from heaven or the natural water that came out of the rock. Of these, absolutely ALL those who came out of Egypt DID eat and drink. But of the spiritual meat and spiritual drink, the spiritual fathers alone were partakers, and each and everyone of them.
Every sin has both the eternal consequences and temporal consequences. Christ's work of redemption took away and dealt with the eternal consequences of all the sins of all His people once for all. If this were not so, there would be no salvation for any. If this were not so, even the 'lightest' of sin will damn a man to eternal misery - that's a more sour pill to chew! Each sin, whether most blatant or the least blatant, deserves death in all its fulness. Adam eating the forbidden fruit most certainly looked like a light sin... yet because of that sin the whole human race was cursed and condemned.
a. Wow, the heart of God is sooooo biggggg and the extent of His love so wide that I am thoroughly forgiven even I grieve the Spirit.## God forgives you when you were in even WORST state than grieving His Spirit. We were enemies. "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Romans 5:10. We were children of wrath. "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." Eph 2:3.
God loves us and forgives us, and gives us eternal salvation when we were in a far WORST state. When you grieve the Spirit of God, you shall suffer the chastisement and the scourging of your FATHER in this life. He may even terminate your life here on earth... or leave you to wallow in your sin and suffer the just bitterness and piercing of soul.
b. Let say.. now knowing I would not be thrown into the pit of fire, I will go on displeasing God and the possible consequence is shortened and trouble- filled life. So what! I can be "pai kah chai" cantonese for useless and careless son and will be a prince or a friend in heaven. Can you imagine, the Spirit of life who can seared my conscience but cannot effect change because I will to disobey!## Apostle Paul dealt with that classic problem before - Romans 6. True and plain teaching on eternal salvation by God's free grace will ALWAYS draw forth such objection. When there is no such objection, it is an indication that the truth of eternal salvation by God's free grace has not be faithfully taught.
6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer
therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Such thinking or mentality betrays the spiritual state of the person. To acknowledge that a child of God do FALL into grievous sin, and a person consciously CHOOSE a life of sin based on presumption do indicate two very different spiritual states.
It is ONLY a swine who says, "I will go back to wallow in the muck since the master will always wash me clean again. "
As I always understood the word "fathers" was used loosely to mean those of that generation and I understood not all were physically condemned to early death. These will part of the God's elect. I also cannot stomach the blatant actions of the man killed by Phinehas. What! in heaven with him. Emotions....as my sins though is not that drastic is still a sin and abominable to God. Let me have time to think of this truth.. I may have to reject this notion that everyone of the "fathers" are in heaven today.. May God help me.## Just remember that these are said of 'all our fathers' -
"3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." If that were not so, they COULD NEVER be said to be the spiritual fathers of the Gentile believers in Corinth.
At least you only cannot stomach SUCH BIG HEINOUS, ABOMINABLE blatant sin. The Pharisees cannot stomach much 'smaller' and 'minor' and far less 'blatant' sin - like eating with sinners. You have a much larger stomach than theirs.
I thank God that He has a VERY BIG STOMACH... O bless the Lord for the bigness of His BIG stomach... big enough to stomach the horrible sins of His children. God could stomach incest of Lot... to observe this is not the same as condoning incest... it is just to note that God has very ENORMOUS stomach. God could stomach idolatry of the wisest man Solomon... to observe this is not the same as condoning idolatry... it is just to note that God has HUMONGOUS stomach. Was the adultery and murder committed by David any less heinous or blatant? Our God stomach them all too... O the grace and mercy of God.
If this glorious truth motivate or excuse some to give God more of their muck... they may prove themselves to be nothing more than SWINES.
May the Lord bless you and help you to see His BIG STOMACH - is my humble prayers.
your brother and servant in Christ,
sing
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On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Hawke wrote:Dear Pastor,
As I grasped the writings, IT IS A MENTAL & SPIRITUAL REVOLUTION. My mind wants punishment of sins as seen by my eyes. My whole being wants to see the wickedness in the unconverted and the regenerated punished. But His way is higher than mine. Very much I am not against the whole concept of His unconditional election, to see the natural law of man not used against the rebellion. The rebellion though punished cannot compared the with the heaven that is to come. My another fear to see certain people who are outright Godless till the end and yet to be found in heaven.
Could these people secretly partaking the goodness of the spiritual food?
Dumb fears just like question asked by those in kiddies.
Regards
Hawke
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Date: August 13, 2007 5:56:20 PM GMT+07:00Dear Brother Hawke,
There are so much sins that are not visible to our eyes... but God sees them all. There are punishment that are visible, and there are also punishments that are not visible. These are far worse than those that are visible. I believe a defiled conscience that tortures a disobedient and unrepentant child of God day and night is much worse than being sent to the gallows.
Godly souls are always grieved by the sins found in themselves, as well as among God's people. "Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law" Ps 119:136. "My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words" Ps 119:139. "I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word" Ps 119:158. The psalmist is not speaking of the open pagan unbelievers... but of them who were given, and knew the law of God, and were commanded to keep God's law and His word.
If one ever get into heaven, he gets there SOLELY and WHOLLY on the finished work of Christ ALONE, and nothing else... not whether how little he has sinned or whether he has been punished sufficiently for all his sins. Christ ALONE has suffered for the eternal consequences of all the sins of His people.
By strict justice, one sin alone is enough to damn a man to eternal misery and torment. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" Jas 2:10.
Those who are outrightly godless till the end have no ground to hope for eternal glory in heaven... they would go through life with misery and torment within... though they may appear respectable to human eyes. Such will be like prodigals sons... living among swine and sharing its food. [Lot did appear outrightly godless, wallowing in the degraded society of Sodom... had to be dragged out of Sodom... yet it is revealed to us that he is righteous. How very unreliable is our feeble judgment!]
Such must be warned against. Such must be given no place in the visible church, and treated as a heathen. Even if such do end up in heaven, it should really humble us... it only magnifies the infinite mercy and grace of God. God has much bigger stomach than us! Let us celebrate and rejoice in the greatness of God's grace and mercy in dealing with sinners.
In one of the parable Jesus said, "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?" Good reminder. Salvation is the Lord's own; heaven and eternal glory is the Lord's own too. For Him to give it to the MOST undeserving ONLY magnifies His grace and mercy and goodness.
May our Lord give us grace to "live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" Titus 2:12-13.
May our Lord bless you richly.
your brother and servant in Christ,
sing
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On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:06 AM, Hawke wrote:Dear Pastor,
Unless God opens the eyes in the spiritual sense, the centuries of blindness to the divine truth perpetuated would ever be continuing.
Unless and until our souls want to surrender to the divine truth espoused in the Bible without exception, we will be lost in the midst of truths and half truths. No wonder the opposition to these divine truths are like Pharoahs of the world, fighting against the truths of God.
We know the discussions we have had is the thorough truth of God hidden from us these decades. What had been dispensed were half truths but nevertheless, God has wrought to pass our understanding of Him as the God of creation. Yes, my soul like the psalmist would like to shout with joy.
If these truths have been dispensed to us in doses like doses of milk to the infants in the beginning of our journey from regeneration till now, we would not have colic, constipation and diarrhea.
However, we praise our God for these truths found in the bible. Man has "bastardised" and dispensed doses of toxin poisoning our mind, thoughts and understanding
and therefore resulting in poorness in christian character and never understanding the depth of God's love. Brother! we thank God for these uncovering of the century and time eternal old truths.
Alas, our duty is to put across these truths to the proper pedestal high above all for all to see and believe. Maybe the centuries of lies may not be washed away overnight or even in our life time but surely if God so will & purpose the real work of reformation will begin in Malaysia.
This day forth, Queen & I have begun to see God and Christ in the true & proper light. You may want to share our thoughts with the brethren.
Bless Him for His eternal love
Hawke
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Dear Brother Hawke,
"Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep" Ro 12:15.
I reply to your mail above. I do rejoice with you in praising and thanking God for His continuing mercies toward us in our journey together to study and to learn the truth He has revealed to us.
May our Lord enable us not only to learn and know the truth, but also to hold fast to the truth, and to hold forth the truth unto others in all humility and charity and patience.
Your conversion with us to the truth of the doctrines of grace encourages us here in Sungai Dua. May our Lord be pleased to open more eyes, and enlighten more minds to embrace the glorious and humbling truth that ascribe all glory to God.
your brother and servant in Christ,
sing
