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Monergism
contaminated and turned into synergism
by Mr John Piper and
his cohort of reformed ministers led by him
https://youtu.be/WNe9n5me8sg?si=mLwbzvMVh5O0brLL
From 4:40 to
6:04... we hear him declaring these words
"We leaders
here believe in a certain vision of God's sovereign grace...
There is not a
thing in you or me that inclined God to choose you for Himself. Nothing!
There is not a thing
in you that inclined God to cause you to be born again. Nothing!
There is not a thing
in you that secures your eternal destiny!
Nothing! It is
totally free!
This is OUR
theology:
- unconditional
election,
- unconditional
regeneration,
- unconditional
propitiation,
- conditional
justification... faith, and that's a gift!
Our theology is
meant to flatten us..."
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The singular human
conditional SHALL undo all the divine unconditional.
That's no gospel... but
BAD news! Worse, a false gospel.
His supposed
monergism is turned into synergism by one condition!!!
He is right... he
promotes a NEW Calvinism!
Shame on him who
WRONGLY divides the word of truth!
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The Essence of
Reformed Theology- John Piper & C.H. Spurgeon
https://youtu.be/WNe9n5me8sg?si=mLwbzvMVh5O0brLL
One of the most
misunderstood things in the modern evangelical church today is the Reformed
Doctrines of Grace, commonly known as "Calvinism." For many
Christians, Calvinism is a controversial buzzword that causes them to say to
themselves "That's the theology that teaches certain people were created
for hell without any other choice, or that God is the author of sin."
Neither of these notions are biblical, nor are they a part of the teaching of
historic, Reformed Theology.
With excerpts from John Piper and Charles
Spurgeon, this video explains the true essence of Reformed Theology
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Sing F Lau
The ESSENCE of the
gospel of God
29 ¶ For whom he did
foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified:
and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
- unconditional
election
- unconditional
regeneration
- unconditional
propitiation,
- UN-conditional
justification by the blood, righteousness, and faith of Christ.
- unconditional
glorification.
The NONSENSE of the
reformed theology of Piper and his gang
- unconditional
election,
- unconditional
regeneration,
- unconditional
propitiation,
- CONNED-ditional
justification... by faith, and that's a gift! A gift that must be exercised by
the un-justified (therefore under condemnation and death) in order to be
justified by God!
- CONNED-ditional
glorification
The two systems simply stated!
Choose ye this day the ESSENCE or the NONSENSE!!!
Sing F Lau
"Our theology
is meant to flatten us..."
The gospel of God is
meant to bring glad tidings of good things to us, His children!
"How beautiful
are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of
good things!"
The two system
simply stated!
Choose ye this day the FLATTENING of Piper's reformed theology or the UPLIFTING by the GLAD tidings of the gospel of God!!!
Sing F Lau
"Conditional
justification" is works salvation. He is referencing legal justification and
confusing it with experiential justification." Charles Page.
Charles Page, please find an opportunity to teach that high ranking preacher the truth you have stated so succinctly!
Cantoro Joe
But when does
justification happen? When God gives His elect faith to exercise the gift of
His Son's atoning work? Or are the elect already justified during the time of
election?
Hulan Bass
Dear Cantoro Joe,
Yes, from a CONTRACT (Covenant) aspect as is clearly stated in Heb. 13:20. The
four areas of Justification are plainly stated as Grace in Rom. 3:24, now the
Covenant is again plainly stated in Eph. 1:3-4 - as being "chosen."
Next, Justification is that of "Blood" - Rom. 5:9 both being that of
Eternal application, then comes the 3rd and 4th both being Timely or Gospel
Faith found as
Hulan Bass
continued: 3rd -
Living by Faith (which was also planted in the New Birth when the Blood was
applied to the individual - Rom. 1:17; 5:1-2--6; and then the Faith is
magnified, amplified, displayed and manifested by (4th) Faith by Works - James
2:18---24.
Sing F Lau
but when does
justification happen? when God gives His elect faith to exercise the gift of
His Son's atoning work? Or are the elect already justified during the time of
election?
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Cantoro Joe, good
questions. Find the biblical answer to your question, and you are ahead of the
reformed theologians a 1000 miles, including JK and TT!
I have come across
many who ask questions but are not interested in the biblical answers to their
questions. So, if you are interested in the answers to your questions, I
suggest you read this article first:
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-doctrine-of-justification-as.html
Things New and Old:
The Doctrine of Justification - as summarized in the 1689 CoF
Hulan Bass
Bro.
Sing, Justification, initially, is in the GRACE COVENANT before the World
began, but not literally in the
“person of election” until the New Birth – Regeneration. The Legal Blood Justification is
applied at this point VITALLY to that person. I have already quote thescriptures proving
these two steps.
Sing F Lau
But when does
justification happen? When God gives His elect faith to exercise the gift of
His Son's atoning work? Or are the elect already justified during the time of
election?
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Cantoro, for you to
get a proper answer to your question, you first need to know that the Bible
speaks of the distinct ASPECTS of justification. Without realizing this truth,
you will not be able to give biblical answer to your questions.
Hulan Bass
Bro.
Sing, JUSTIFICATION is a part of, written into the Covenant before the World
Began.
The Covenant
CONTRACT includes, and justification is in the Covenant. But at that point it is just a
contract. The house is not build yet, but will be precisely according to the blue-print. This is
the GRACE Justification, being the 1st Aspect. Even the Blood Shed Aspect of
Justification did not happen until Christ died on Calvary’s Cross - the Covenant and
Blood are joined together herein – Heb. 13:20. Again, such is NOT VITALLY
applied until Regeneration.
Sing F Lau
Cantoro asked:
"but when does justification happen?
Good question.
Answer: But which specific
aspect of justification are you inquiring?
Below is an excerpt
is taken from the article on justification above:
Para 4. The
Multi-faceted Jewel of Justification
1689.11.4 - God did
from all eternity decree to justify all the elect, (11) and Christ did in the
fullness of time die for their sins, and rise again for their
justification;(12) nevertheless, they are not justified personally, until the
Holy Spirit doth in time due actually apply Christ unto them.(13) 11. Gal 3:8;
1Pe 1:2; 1Ti 2:6. 12. Ro 4:25. 13. Col 1:21-22; Tit 3:4-7.
a. Justification
decreed
- by God for all the
elect
- from all eternity
b. Justification
secured/accomplished legally
- by Christ for all
the elect
- at the cross
c. Justification
applied personally
- by the Holy Spirit
to each individual elect.
- at effectual
calling to grace and salvation.
d. Justification
experienced /evidenced subjectively (para 2)
- by the faith of
the individual elect. [this faith is worked WITHIN the heart by the indwelling
Spirit; it is not a gift from WITHOUT]
- at initial
conversion, and throughout life.
e. Justification
vindicated finally
- by God before the
judgment throne
- on the great
judgment day
Conclusion:
Justification
decreed, accomplished, applied, experienced, and finally vindicated.
Sing F Lau
Elder Bass, do you
have a problem with what I believe?
Hulan Bass
Bro. Sing, The only reason I
keep sending you statements on Justification is because you seem to keep
advocating there is NO Justification until the New Birth –
Regeneration is just the literal beginning of FAITH Justification. LEGAL
Justification was at the point of Blood Shed on Calvary’s Cross.
Okay? Every thing that happens IN TIME for and to the Elect
was in the Covenant before the world began. including the Justification
element. Hulan Bass
Sing F Lau
Elder Bass, then you
should go back and read again!
I was legally
justified was Christ died on the cross.
I was legally
condemned when Adam sinned.
Is that clear and
plain enough!
I don't write and
speak with PB lingo! Sorry about that!
Hulan Bass
Bro.
Sing, what was written, had much truth, but some phrases were not
clearly amplified.
Give me your e-mail address and I will send you
a brief on my
analysis of JUSTIFICATION. Okay?
Sing F Lau
Elder Hulan, please
tell us here what are those some phrases that you find not clearly amplified.
Thanks.
Reading your
analysis full of PB lingo would not help me! <LOOOOOOOOOOL>
Hulan Bass
Bro.
Sing, Before the World
began, in the Counsel of the Godhead, GRACE was present, and so was
JUSTIFICATION, but just in a Covenant sense.
Then FAITH
Justification came literal at the point of Regeneration – New Birth, and BLOOD
Justification did not come literal or Legal until Calvary’s Cross. Okay? There
are many texts to prove all this.
Sing F Lau
"Then FAITH
Justification came literal at the point of Regeneration "
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This I disagree!
That's PB's lingo. I don't buy that.
And I'm not a PB!
The legal
justification at the cross is APPLIED to each elect PERSONALLY at the point of
effectual calling out of the native state of sin and death to that of grace and
salvation.
Faith comes into
play ONLY after justification has been applied PERSONALLY.
Hulan Bass
Bro. Sing,
I’ve been an Old Line PB for most all my life, and Calvary’s Cross is LEGAL
Justification.
Regeneration New Birth is VITAL Justification, when Faith, a Fruit of the Spirit – Gal. 5:22-23 came as each elect received the NEW Eternal Life. Grace was in the Counsel of the Godhead, in the Counsel before the world began - Isaiah 46:9-10; Heb. 13:20; Eph. 1:3-5 teaches when the CHOOSING occurred, The Godhead essence always, (aseity,) is: Wisdom, Power, Truth, Justice, Mercy, Love and Holiness. Again, the GODHEAD is always these 7 Divine Attributes.
Question: Are you believing GRACE and JUSTIFICATION, even FAITH and BLOOD, was not agreed upon in this Counsel and Covenant Contract?
Sing F Lau
Elder Bass, there is
no need to repeat what you do believe.
I know them quite
well enough!
And, I'm stating the
truth believed by the old school baptists THREE HUNDRED YEARS ago.
You said you have
difficulty with some of the phrases that you find not clearly amplified.
State them, and I
can help you to understand.
You assigned
"FAITH Justification" at the point of Regeneration.
I don't, and we are
DISAGREED... if I understand your terminology.
And now you use
another term for that, VITAL Justification... "Regeneration New Birth is
VITAL Justification," I suggested that your phrases need clear
amplification!!!
I assign "FAITH
Justification" AFTER and SUBSEQUENT TO Regeneration, and in the PRESENCE
of gospel ministry. I assign VITAL Justification to be SIMULTANEOUSLY with
Regeneration at the effectual calling of an elect out of his native state of
sin and death to that of grace and salvation.
You are TOOOOOOO SET
in your PB expressions to even understand what I'm saying!
Robert Cook Sr.
Justification: To
declare righteous. All the elect were legally justified when Christ satisfied
the wrath of his father after he became sin for us, period, he was raised to
display or declare himself and all the elect perfected in him. He was raised
for our justification. God declares us justified when we are born again, we
experience the justification by faith. although the works were done before the
world began! that is how I understand it!
Cantoro Joe
wait... i thought
that presbyterians should follow the Reformed faith?
Are the reformed
theologians (presbyterians) right in understanding justification? Or only JK
and TT changed what presbyterians originally hold to?
Sing F Lau
Elder Bass, I have
removed your last comment! No such pasting here...
It is better to deal
with specific subject instead of pasting such BIG chunk as a comment.
If you wish people
to read your lengthy analysis, write it as a Note, and then provide the link to
it!
That's would be
better!
Sing F Lau
Cantoro, do research
and find the answers to your own questions if you are interested. The issue at hand is
justification.
What do you
understand about it? Have you read and studied the link to the article on WCF
chapter 11 on Justification???
You are tooooo
fixated on JK and TT!
Just what did the
Presbyterians originally hold to? You tell us please.
And what is the
understanding of the reformed theologians on justification?
Which particular
'reformed' theologians are you talking about?
If you can give us
some information on these questions, it would help us!
Cantoro Joe
Somehow I consider
ppl like Macarthur, even William Macdonald, a reformed theologian
Cantoro Joe
n i read their
writings, they all i see the same as TT and JK...
Sing F Lau
Cantoro Joe, Are
reformed theologians right on justification?
What do they teach?
What do the
Scriptures teach?
Do you know? Do you
even ask?
Or you have assumed
what the 'reformed' theologians teach is what the Bible says?
Have you read and
studied the article in the WCF chapter 11 on justification?
If you haven't,
there's no need to waste further here.
If you are
interested in the subject, read and study that article first...
Thanks.
Sing F Lau
"n i read their
writings, they all i see the same as TT and JK..."
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Cantoro,
Then "they
all" are in the same error, just like John Piper, all belonging to the new
school calvinism without even knowing that they have departed from the
Scriptures on Justification!!!
Charles Page
what is TT and JK?
lol
Sing F Lau
TT and JK are two
Bible Presbyterian 'reformed' theologians that really captivated Cantoro!!!
They are associated with the Far Eastern Bible College in Singapore.
Charles Page
who are they? At first I thought
that elder Bass was reformed!
Sing F Lau
Elder Bass is a VERY
respected elder statesman among the PBs.
He writes some good
things. He is a superb analyst, and writes deep and thorough analyses of
different subjects, sometimes toooo involved!
He may appear to come across as reformed <LOOOOOOOOOL>
Charles Page
VERY respected = red
flag!!! beware!
"I submit to you, that we need not change "at all whatsoever." Let us continue to "stay the course in the Old Paths" and "remove not the ancient landmarks which our fathers have set." "Let us continue to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints." Jer 6:16; Prov. 22:28; Jude 3." -elder Hulon Bass
could this be a
stiffnecked and uncircumcised of heart position?
Sing F Lau
Some people can
afford to have such confidence... they have pure pedigree and fine heritage.
I'm still fumbling forward along the old path, and learn a bit from the
privileged!
Charles Page
"Let us strive
not with the Holy Spirit but let us prayerfully week guidance from the Holy
Spirit which can and will light our pathway in the Old Path and Ancient Landmarks."
-Elder Hulon Bass
So if you are led by
the Holy Spirit you WILL be PB?
Charles Page
I aspire to such
confidence, it is necessary for good warfare!
Do PBs ordain warriors! "Elder Warrior" However I refuse to be rebaptised by a PB at this point in time. I am secure in my childhood triune pentecostal baptism.
Sing F Lau
"Elder
Warrior" - that's an apt designation for a fine soldier like you.
Charles Page
Elder Warrior!!!
Hulan Bass
Bro. Sing,
you are the only person who has ever accused me of being “reformed.” I
stress the word “ever.” Reformed brethren, have modified the doctrine, order,
practice, duty and discipline, from the original to
varying degrees, as each of them do not and are not
consistent with their “reforming.”
Sing F Lau
Elder Hulan, can you
please prove that I accused you of being reformed.
Otherwise, you should
apologize. Thanks.
Charles Page
now there is a good
reason to NOT be a PB, no one in the ranks ever questions an elder. that sounds
like a cult to me! Elder Bass you need to go to the streets like the NT PBs and
publicly declare your theology and let your accusers speak. I am of the initial
position that you have reformed views! I can be changed in my views and the
Holy Spirit himself is directing my paths!
Charles Page
I will devote myself
in the next couple of weeks analyzing your sermons in search of reformed views
and when I find them they will be made public. As warrior we call this zeroing
in on the target!
Hulan Bass
Bro.
Sing, I apologize, as I saw the word in one of your recent messages.
Love IN Christ,
Hulan
Hulan Bass
Bro.
Charles Page, I’ve never been accused of being “reformed” -“ever.”
Bernard Gowens
It is often
truthfully stated that justification never occurred in the election room of
eternity past, nor in the delivery-birthing room that occurs here in time. The
legal term, "Justification", always occurs in a court room. The act
of the new birth (regeneration) always occurs in the delivery room.
Bernard Gowens
Legal justification
occurred only one time and that is when God declared His elect justified by
reason of Christ's redemption accomplished on the cross. Legal justification is
the Father's "Declaration" of "Christ's Righteousness"
legally imputed (i.e., credited or laid-to-the-charge-of) to every elect by
reason of the Father's view and acknowledgment of satisfactory propitiation
performed by His Son, Jesus Christ, in His death on the cross. "Justification
by faith" is only timely (not with eternal consequences) and occurs by and
through the preaching of the Gospel here in time and occurs in the courtroom of
a regenerate person's own conscience when one is completely satisfied with the
finished work of Jesus Christ. One must have been timely justified by faith
prior to that one's being timely justified by works within the public courtroom
of men. All acts of justification are only legal. The act of regeneration (the
new birth) is only vital, not legal. Justification is a rich and most beautiful
subject to peruse from the teachings of the Inspired word of God.
Sing F Lau
Brother Bernard
Gowens, THANKS. You make plenty of sense.
Is your
"Justification by faith" [only timely ... Christ] the same as Elder
Hulan's "FAITH Justification" [came literal at the point of
Regeneration]?
Bernard Gowens
No, I do not think
so. My view of "Justification of faith" does not occur in the act of
regeneration--if it does ever occur at all with a child of God, it occurs after
the new birth and by believing the Gospel story of Christ and His works. Many
children of God are never "Justified by faith", i.e., many never
become completely and perfectly satisfied with the perfect and completed works
of Christ. Nevertheless, their eternal home in heaven is not jeopardized due to
a regenerate's lack of being satisfied with Christ's work on the cross.
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The
Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of
Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Timothy 2:19). Justification by faith and
justification by works are completely without any eternal consequences.
Sing F Lau
THANK YOU, Sir and
BROTHER! Amen and amen. I understand you loud and clear. You are so much easier
to read and understand your writing.
PJ Walters
Bro. Sing, I believe
from Bro. Hulan's comment --
"continued: 3rd
- Living by Faith (which was also planted in the New Birth when the Blood was
applied to the individual - Rom. 1:17; 5:1-2--6; and then the Faith is
magnified, amplified, displayed and manifested by (4th) Faith by Works - James
2:18---24." --
that he makes a
distinction between "faith" the essence (from regeneration) and
"faith" the act of believing.
If I be wrong in
this assessment, Bro. Hulan is free to state the contrary.
PJ Walters
Bro. Bernard is an
able Old Baptist preacher whom I have had the great privilege and blessing of
hearing preach.
Sing F Lau
Elder Hulan wrote
this:
Before the World
began, in the Counsel of the Godhead, GRACE was present,
and so was
JUSTIFICATION, but just in a Covenant sense.
Then FAITH
Justification came literal at the point of Regeneration – New Birth, and BLOOD
Justification did not come literal or Legal until Calvary’s Cross. Okay? There
are many texts to prove all this. Hulan Bass"
PJ Walters
Ah, I see. What does
Bro. Hulan mean by "faith justification"?
Bernard Gowens
Brother PJ, You are so kind. I
have read many of your writings on facebook, and I so appreciate your soundness
and solidarity in the Scriptures. You have a kind spirit and a
godly attitude.
May God always bless
you greatly,
Hulan Bass
Bro.
Bernard a GREAT BIG AMEN. Justification by Faith is Timely and few
there be that find it. My only point is that Justification by Faith is only
made possible at the point of Regeneration. Faith is not seen nor manifested
without Works. Okay?
Hulan Bass
Dear Bro.
Bernard, Another GREAT BIG AMEN.
You have precisely
defined each step in proper order. Love.
Another GREAT BIG AMEN. These court-room scenes are correct.
