Let them be, they are different!

 

Let them be, they are different!

For all you Rick Warren fans out there:

Pastor Rick Warren Says Allah and Jehovah God Are One and the Same!

Chrislamity - a new religion promoted by Sick Barren of Donkeyass Stable

Central to Christianity are:

- The Trinity of the Godhead.

- Christ, the only begotten Son of God, the eternal Word made flesh

- Christ is the only substitute and Saviour for His people

- Imputation of Christ's righteousness

Islam rejects and anathematises all the above, i.e. Trinity in Unity, Incarnation, Substitution, and Imputation.

Let's just acknowledge that Islam and Christianity are distinct, with an unbridgeable gulf between them. The two are fundamentally different. Let them be. There is no need to pretend and lie. To do so is devilish deception.

Ac 20:29 "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock."

http://godfatherpolitics.com/.../pastor-rick-warren.../...

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 John Feroze

Pastor Rick needs to teach more about the real Doctrine of Grace. thanks for informing us

Sing F Lau
I do understand that before Islam came into being, the Arab believers refer to Jehovah as Allah.

That doesn't make the Allah of Islam the same as Jehovah, the God of Abraham, the Father of the man Jesus - the eternal Word made flesh.

Sing F Lau
'The god of the muslims was the same god of abraham... that's history.'
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No, that's just her-story! <LOL>
Fable!

Equivocation is a dreaded disease, a plague to flee from!

Sing F Lau
In your fascination with technicality, you end up with obvious irrationality!

First, you said, "Jehovah is or the Judeo-Christian God is in fact also Allah...... the god of the muslims was the same god of Abraham"

Then, "now is it the same God?? obviously not." (I assume the pronoun 'it' refers to 'god of the muslims'.

If technically he didn't stop being the same God, then did he in some ways did stop being the same God?

So, the muslims do worship the same God of the Bible, only that they didn't worship him in spirit and truth?

Sing F Lau
@ If you are going to make that claim then you must also make the claim that the Jewish God Jehovah also is not the same God as the christian God....simply because the Jewish people have failed to believe in Christ.
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Why must I also make the claim that the Jewish God Jehovah also is not the same God as the Christ God? Your answer: simply because the Jewish people have failed to believe in Christ.

But how does the Jews' failure to believe Christ necessarily make me claim that the Jewish God Jehovah also is not the same God as the Christian God???

You are equating the Jews who believe in the Jehovah God and His promised Messiah with the Muslims who worship their Allah without any hope of any Messiah!

Sing F Lau
@ Since the Jews and arabs consider themselves to worship the same God..
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Now you are equating arabs as muslims.

Do they worship the same God because they are enabled by the same Spirit?

And if they they do, why is Jesus the Son of God accursed to them?

No, you are hung up on a 1433 year technicality!

Sing F Lau
It is quite amusing, actually. I live in an increasing militant muslim country.
Arab defines ethnicity, and muslim religion!
In Malaysia, ethnicity and religion are EQUATED... by law!

For example, if a Chinese converts to Islam and become a Muslim, he must also become a Malay. He must take a Malay name, he must dress like a Malay, and he must speak Malay, etc. And if one is born a Malay, he is a Muslim by law... and if he ever converts out of Islam to whatever religion he chooses, he is subject to the law of apostasy!

Similarly, the Muslims EQUATE westerners (so-called 'white' people) as Christians!

Sing F Lau
So many westerners are so suckered by the Saudis and the like ... the turks have infiltrated their universities and even their black house, and they have Sick Barren (Rick Warren!) goading them on... ya Christians will soon be required to worship Allah... no problem at all... after all already conditioned that they are worshiping the same God! Allah bless America!

Sing F Lau
What you considered facts are:
- "Jehovah is or the Judeo Christian God is in fact also Allah... - "the god of the muslims was the same god of abraham...thats history."
- "They may be a cursed nation for changing the truth of God....but they didn't change Gods at any point in history."

Some superficial resemblances are equated as being the same! Man has two legs, chicken has two legs; therefore man is chicken and chicken is man <LOL>

No, they didn't change god at any point in history. But they did start worshiping Allah, distinct from the Jehovah God, at a certain point in history! He was not known nor worshiped prior to that.

Whoever said they are cursed people? How can a people who don't even have the truth be charged for changing the truth? OT Israel was most certainly cursed and destroyed for good - it possessed the truth of God but perverted it. USA is more likely going to be a cursed nation... for changing the truth of God!!!

Sing F Lau
Many insist that the Jehovah God revealed in the Bible is the same as the Allah of the Koran. He revealed Himself very differently in the Bible and the Koran.... or that His followers perceive the same God very differently! And by extension all men worship the same God, all religions are just different route to the same God... all roads lead to Rome! <LOL>

Sing F Lau
(Some folks have quietly deleted all their comments... so the exchanges above appear like a monologue. But why would people delete comments that express their beliefs???)
Shame on them.

Buddy TP
Amen bro Lau. Islam is not Christianity. God's covenant was confirmed in Isaac (Rebecca though a Syrian). Arabian Islam with Keturah and Egyptian Islam with Hagar (Ismael).-Gen.25

Peter Petersen
The fact that this al Ilah does not have a Son is enough for me, thank you very much.

 

 

Exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

 

1Tim 4:6-9
Timothy was aptly reminded of what it is to be a good minister of Jesus Christ.

a. Positively
- With regards to his ministry: faithfully preaching the word of God, putting believers in remembrance not only of the truth of the gospel but also warning them of the seducing spirits and the doctrines of devils.

- with regards to himself: nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrines, and to exercise himself unto godliness.

b. Negatively
- with regard to his ministry: refuse profane and old wives’ fables or senile husbands' fictions; but rather abide steadfastly in the words of faith and of good doctrine.

- with regard to himself: avoid bodily exercise that profits little; but rather exercise himself unto godliness that is profitable unto all things, having the promise of the present life and of that which is to come.

The above constitutes the essence of "a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation," i.e. a saying deserving all the attention and devotion that we can muster! Since it is necessary for Timothy, it must be good enough for you and me too.

And exercise thyself rather unto godliness:

a. 'exercise' is translated from the word 'gymnazo' from which we get the word 'gymnastics.'

- It means to train vigorously, whether body or mind, exert oneself intensely. This requires time, attention, discipline, and your heart, and mind. Have you ever seen a gymnast in training?

b. to exercise thyself unto godliness involves:

- It is to exert oneself to the words of faith and good doctrines which are according to godliness and tend to godly edification; the profane and old wives' fables seduce and deceive, and study these, meditate on them, digest them, rightly divide them, teach them to others;

- It is to exert yourself to a godly life, exercise thyself, to have a conscience void of offense to God and men;

- It is to exert yourself in cultivating internal and inward godliness, the exercise of the graces of faith, hope, love, fear, reverence, humility, etc. In contrast to having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof, 2Tim3:5

- It is to exert yourself in the spiritual worship of God, according to His will, not in a formal, cold, outward, and customary way, but with the heart, in truth and sincerity, in faith, and with fervency and purity.

c. by "bodily exercise" is NOT meant the physical or athletic exercise of the body for health or recreation, as riding, which profits but for a little time.

- What is mean is the opposite of the exercise unto godliness; that is, mere formal outward worship, as opposed to spiritual worship; worshipping God in spirit, with the inner man, and in truth. John 4:23-24

- Outward formal worship, involving the body but not the spirit profits little. It has a form of godliness but devoid of the power of godliness. 2Tim 3:7.

- Such outward and formal exercises are also sternly censured by the Lord. Mat 15:8 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."

We can enjoy the assurance of meeting the Lord when we exercise ourselves unto godliness.

The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few

 

Matthew 9
37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

Sir, may I ask a question?
Does the Lord of the harvest send every believer as a labourer into his harvest?

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The harvest is truly plenteous.
Words have plain meanings!

1. The HARVEST is truly plenteous
- what constitutes the harvest?|
- who has produced the harvest?
- how is the harvest produced?

2. The harvest IS truly plenteous
- the harvest IS already there.
- the labourers DID NOTHING to bring about the harvest.
- the Lord of the harvest has produced the harvest, and He has produced that plentiful harvest WITHOUT any help from His labourers!
- He sends His labourers to gather in the harvest He has already produced.
- He didn't send His labourers to grow the crop, nor produce the harvest. He sends them to gather in the harvest!

3. The harvest is truly PLENTEOUS
- The harvest He has produced is not just plenteous but TRULY plenteous.
- Christ has redeemed for Himself a truly VAST multitude out of the fallen race of Adam. Rev 5:9
- God the Father is effectually calling the redeemed out of their native state of sin and death to that of grace and eternal salvation in Jesus Christ.
- These are the HARVEST spoken of by Christ; He sends labourers to gather them into His churches.

Those effectually called to grace and salvation need to be gathered into the churches. That's the work of the labourers sent out by the Lord of the harvest.

The text speaks of Christ, the Lord of the harvest, sending out labourers... 
This is NOT the same as every believer doing the work of an evangelist.

Many misguided pastors brainwashed their church members into believing that they are all labourers sent out by their Lord to be evangelists.  

"Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into His harvest."

Just a few obvious (I hope!) thoughts.

"Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons..."

Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him,
and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Even deeply prejudiced Apostle Peter was ready to confess when he was shown a momentous truth. May God show you the same truth.

Acts 10
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

A man who fears God and works righteousness is already ACCEPTED with God... God has effectually called him out of his native state of sin and death to that state of grace and salvation in Jesus Christ.

A man who fears God and works righteousness is a man to whom the Holy Spirit HAS APPLIED to him personally the eternal salvation secured by Christ; OTHERWISE, his reverence of God and works of righteousness are IMPOSSIBLE.

A man who fears God and works righteousness is already perfectly fitted for eternal glory; he is made capable of being called out by the gospel. But whether he hears the gospel or not, his place in heaven is assured by the FINISHED WORK of Christ already APPLIED to him personally.

Hearing the gospel and converted to Christ is very important, not that he may have a place in heaven for that is already perfectly settled by the finished work of Jesus Christ and applied to him personally. It is necessary and important for saving a child of God from lies and falsehood and superstition and ungodliness... it is to save him to the truth of his salvation by God's free grace, teaching him to deny ungodliness and unrighteousness, to live soberly, godly and righteously here and now before.

Excerpt from here:
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2013/07/those-who-fear-god-and-work.html

Why has doctrinal preaching disappeared from churches?

A pulpiteer entertains goats;
A minister of the word feeds sheep.

 

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Feb 27, 2025

Sir, I noticed that churches tend to stay clear of theological  doctrines in their sermons. And even Dr.bc also prefer to focus on the application side of the Scriptures only. Is this the correct way to preach?
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What you observe is a common phenomenon; it's sad and tragic. Often, the preachers themselves are clueless about the vital doctrinal issues involved. ALSO, that's what the congregations want, and demand too.

Doctrines will choke many. Heb 5:12-14

However, sound theology/doctrine is the ground/foundation on which the applications/practical godliness thrive.

Read the Epistles to the Romans and Hebrews, for example, and observe closely the many "therefore" of applications AFTER careful laying down of doctrines line by line.

Apostle Paul would labour to lay out the theology/doctrine first, followed by the applications of the theology/doctrines. That's the apostolic precedent and pattern for the NT ministers of the word.

2Tim 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears."

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Titus 2:1 "But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine."

Many modern churchmen and pulpiteers LOATHE sound doctrines.

Why did Christ, the head of the church, give the FOUR teaching offices to His church?

(only the last is normative; the first three were unique to the apostolic church.)

Ephesians 4
¶ 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

How many believers are still like children TOSSED TO AND FRO and carried about with every wind of doctrine!!!!!