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Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? 2Peter 3:3-4 What happened to all such scoffers? BURNED and ROASTED by the Roman armies. |
Dec 1, 2021
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1 Peter 1:13 KJV — Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Please help me with the passage.
Q. What is "the end" spoken of?
Q. What is "the revelation of Jesus
Christ"?
Q. Is the "end" synchronous with
"the revelation of Jesus Christ"?
Q. Have they happened?
Q.If not, when? If yes, when?
Thank you most kindly in advance for your help.
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Mark
Personally I believe this has been fulfilled
when our Lord brought judgment against the nation of Israel and graciously
dispersed the church prior to the rendering of justice on the disbelieving and
unrepentant Jews. The end was the destruction of Jerusalem and of the
corruption of law worship and Israel as a nation. Having said that, I can
understand the parallel some draw to the future coming of Christ on
resurrection day. My difficulty with embracing that point of view is because Peter
directed the meaning to those then present and hearing his words
Sing
Mark: Thank you, Sir.
Gentile believers often fail to put
themselves in the shoes of the Jewish believers in the early church. When we
do, much light dawns. The significance of the end of a theocratic nation that
has been around for thousands of years is not often appreciated by us Gentiles.
It's a heaven-and-earth-shattering event to those concerned, even though it does
not register with others.
Thank you, again.
Reggie
GIF
Sing
Reggie, What are you so excited about? Did you
strike black diamond?
Reggie
Sing no!! 🤣…
This guy had a powerful message a while back…
His message was basically surrounded around
the idea of “the Bible is not about you…. You are not
David and Goliath isn’t your sin or your trials in life…”
This is where the modern American church is today. Many make the Bible all about them and try to find themselves or their America in Bible prophecy… and it just isn’t there… ego is the tool by which Satan twists the scriptures.
Reggie
And so, this is where bad eschatology creeps
in…
Billie
Bro Mark When Peter addresses this letter to
the strangers scattered, isn’t this a reference to the Gentiles? I see the
parallels to the Jews and the destruction of Jerusalem, but fell that Peter is
addressing the manifest trials that the mixed churches in Asia were going to
experience.
Again just my thoughts.
Mark
Brother Billie, my thoughts are that the
Gentiles would not be the ‘strangers’ in the churches located in Gentile
nations- the Jews dispersed or driven from Israel would be the strangers in
those Gentile lands.
Billie
Mark, I had never considered it that way.
Thats something “to chew on” as my ancestors used to say.
Mark
Billie, take it with a grain of
salt and compare to Scripture- the great Standard by which to test all things.
Billie
Mark, I agree. That is the only way
understand. Let scripture interpret scripture and ask for God’s sweet guidance
in our understanding.
Just wanted to say to you how much I loved
your sweet father and his gentleness and spirit made an impact on me at our
first meeting. I will miss him.
Mark
Billie, thank you for your kind words. I miss
him already, but am thankful that he is in his long sought home free from pain
and trials. He loved you dearly and spoke often of your friendship in the
faith.
Billie
Mark, Amen
Sing
Billie @ "When Peter addresses this letter to the
strangers scattered, isn’t this a reference to the Gentiles?"
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I have never heard of the concept of the
Gentiles being scattered. This is my first time hearing such an idea.
Thanks.
Billie
Sing I had always thought they were Christians scattered. Regardless of nationality, both Jews and Gentiles. I think the
church members are “strangers” in this world. Also, Solomon references the
Gentiles who would be converted to the Jewish religion as “strangers” when he prayed the temple dedication prayer.
Sing
Billie, Gentiles need to learn to put
themselves in the shoes of the Jewish believers to think right thoughts with
matters pertaining to them.
Billie
Sing, we will see it was not all the Jews who
were holding on to law covenants. Some Jews, like Gentiles, followed the
disciples
Into the church kingdom under the grace
covenant. The destruction coming in 70 AD was coming to those who wholly
rejected the grace covenant or who were straddling fences between the two.
Those watching were told to flee and escape the trails of the judgment of the
first century non-believing Jews. I think the church members addressed in1
Peter were not holding on to the law but were
Being persecuted by those who were holding on
and Peter advices them to hold on to the hope until the end of their trial. No
doubt many more trials came to the first century church that they each had the
admonition to hold on to the end. Knowing that whether dead ir alive they would
see Christ Manifest in a way which would do away with hope , for why do we hope
for what we see? So at seeing him we would be able to shout victory in the work
of christ in our ours of death.
Marty-Sandy Smith
I think, for many of God's children, their
physical death is "the end" of the time when they need hope, because
they go in spirit into the presence of Jesus Christ, and He is revealed.
For some of God's children, Jesus Christ will
come to earth for them, be revealed to them, and that is "the end" of
the time when they need hope.
So: (1) "the end" is the end of the time God's child must spend on earth, (2) the revelation of Jesus Christ is when a child of God sees Jesus Christ as He is, and (3) the "end" is indeed synchronous with that revelation.
Sing
Marty-Sandy Smith: Thanks for your thoughts.
Doesn't the passage imply one common end by the one common revelation of Jesus
Christ? Just thinking.
John Burkett
For those hold a preterist view of this
passage, I have a few questions, seeing I have never quite understood the
position.
The term strangers being taken for a mixed
bag of believers both of Jews and Gentiles, why would this mixed bag care about
the destruction of Jerusalem?
What impact did the destruction of Jerusalem
have on Christians in Rome, phillipi, or Ephesus which were hundreds of miles
away?
Can it be shown that church life was
drastically altered after 70 ad?
What extra grace was given to the church
after 70 AD that they did not have before?
Seeing that the persecution of the church was
at its most brutal between the time of Peter and Constantine, we know that
nothing changed in that regard, so what did?
Reggie
John Burkett, do you hold to any specific
eschatological view?
Reason for asking… ideas have consequences;
we both know this… and so, preconceived ideas guide our understanding of
further information given. How we structure our belief of this subject can be
greatly effected by preconceived ideas which are already established in our
thinking…
Robert
Reggie, do you mean like Preterism, wherein people
try to make every prophetic passage fit 70 AD?
John Burkett
Reggie: agreed, presuppositions can be a
problem when: 1. They lack supporting evidence. 2. When they go unchecked by
scripture
I asked these questions because if preterism
is applicable there should be overwhelming evidence of a fundamental change in
church life after 70 ad given the multitude of promises. In light of that I
have seen no such evidence being provided to support that position.
As brother Michael Ivey has stated, if we take
Scripture as the only rule of faith, Scripture evidence must be provided as to
what that change would be after 70 ad.
Reggie
Robert: yes, and also like premillennialism,
which removes the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD for the purpose of hiding
from the world the Hostility God had toward Spiritual Sodom and Spiritual Egypt
(Carnal Israel).
Robert
Reggie: I’m not pre-mil, but can you
substantiate such a conspiracy?
Michael Ivey
Excellent questions Brother. And I might add
that any response should provide details, and the details should be limited to
what is specifically presented in scripture. My studies cause me to conclude
that scripture mentions God's pending judgment against Israel and alludes to
its severity and consequences; but provides few if any, actual details. This
being so, I tend to shy away from 70AD details-specific-interpretations of NT
passages, including the Book of Revelation. In my experience, over the years,
I've read way too much para-scripture speculation by commentators who hold a
preterist view of Revelation and cite uninspired accounts of 70AD by the likes
of Josephus to support their opinions.
John Burkett
Michael Ivey: Right, if there is plain support
in Scripture of what would transpire in church life after 70 AD and historical
evidence to support it, I might could embrace it. I have no problem with
historical evidence, as long as it gives testimony to the plain meaning of
Scripture.
Robert
John Burkett yes, for example Herodotus gives
some interesting details of when Cyrus took Babylon that accord with Isaiah’s
prophecy, yet we would say that not everything he wrote on that or any other
subject is without error. Only where it accords with scripture do we take it to
be a supporting witness.
Another problem preterism has is that it often
requires violating the simplest understanding of prophetic language to make it
fit into the preconceived fulfilment.
Sing
John Burkett
I checked on the meaning of "preterist" - "The meaning of preterist is one who holds that the prophecies in the Bible about the End Times have already been fulfilled."
If this is a correct definition of a preterist, then I'm not a preterist.
The prophecies concerning the "last
days" of the Jewish world have already been fulfilled; the prophecies
concerning the end of the world at the coming of Christ are awaiting
fulfillment.
The end times of the Jewish world and end
times of the present world are distinct.
John Burkett
Sing I’m not sure a Wikipedia article has
fully explained the preterist position. The distinction you make between the
end of the Jewish world and the end of the present world is a distinction every
preterist would make. Preterist understand that there will be an end of the
world and that certain passages speak of that end. A preterist will, however, interpret most passages concerning the coming of Christ as fulfilled in 70 ad.
They would interpret the passage under consideration as a 70 ad text, as well
as 2 Peter 3:12-14 as 70 ad, all of Matthew 24 as 70 ad etc……
Not saying you a preterist just that the assumption that they make no distinction in different fulfillment’s, isn’t entirely correct.
Joe Holder
Brother Sing, I am inclined to view this
passage in a fairly simple way. Ocham’s Razor principle often proves a good one
when studying Scripture.
I am inclined to think the answers to your
questions are stated in the passage. I agree with you suggestion that the “end”
in mind is “the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
I am further inclined to believe that “the
revelation of Jesus Christ” occurs with believers who “gird up the loins of
your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace” that comes in response
to the faith way of thinking and living life.
Michael Ivey
As usual, Joe Holder you say with brevity and
greater clarity what I struggle and lumber to say.
Sing
Joe Holder Thank you, Elder Joe.
May I inquire?
Mat 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be
preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the
end come."
What is the end spoken of here? Has it
happened?
Mat 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Does this passage speak of the revelation of
Jesus Christ? Has it happened?
Mark
Brother Micah, if indeed it is the end that
came first after Peter’s words, it is very likely that coming for those spoken
to would be His coming to reign in justice at the end of the law dispensation
and the destruction of Jerusalem. Just a thought.
I think it is quite likely this passage has
several true applications.
Sing
Mark, Were the Jewish believers under severe
persecution of the "state church" from which they have left behind to
be followers of Jesus Christ? Honest question, Sir.
Mark
Sing, they were being rabidly persecuted by
the Sanhedrin even unto death both at home and even abroad in some cases.
Witness the zeal of Saul.
Sing
Mark, Thanks. Then understanding the passage
as the final overthrow, and the end of the "state church" and the
relief that would bring to the Jewish saints makes sense indeed.
Thou art a great sounding board. Thank you.
Mark
Sing, you’re welcome. I believe that to be
the primary application of the passage, but can appreciate the further
application voiced by the Brethren on this passage.
Sing
I want to know the meaning first.
The applications are manifold.
Thank you.
Reggie
Sing, no!
Sing
"No" to what?
Reggie
Sing: the Jewish believers were being pressed
upon by the harlot who was riding the beast, which gave her power for a season.
The harlot was Jerusalem and all which fall under her rule.
The harlot was then destroyed by the beast she rode on while at the same time The Church fled to Petra…. The dragon was upset about this and so he spewed out of his mouth, a great flood… water… which represents Judaizing Christianity… a works based righteousness that we read of in the letter which circulated Galatia… which is a false gospel… anti in scripture means more so to imitate, to counterfeit… not so much to stand against… but yeah, also to stand against… but by imitating for the sake of carrying away victims… in the flood that came out the mouth of the dragon.
Reggie
Sing: but if you mean, Judaism as being the
state church, yeah… the state church later on founded by Constantine was more
like a liberating act for believers.. but… it also eventually went into
corruption….
Billie
Mark and brothers,
Did the law dispensation end at the
destruction of Jerusalem or at the death on the cross. When the vail was rent
in twain, did not this signify the ending of the sacrifice under the law? The
judgment on Israel was indeed fulfilled in the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem,
but the Church under grace had already began. At this time the scripture places
all that are under Christ in the church as, Israel regardless of nationality.
Thoughts?
Mark
Brother Billie, I agree the law
dispensation ended at the cross. This did not, however, end the efforts of the
Jews to attempt to continue on the same as before until the temple was razed to
the ground in the destruction of Jerusalem.
Sing
Billie The Law dispensation ended legally at
the cross; it was vitally ending during the 40 years reformation; and it ended
practically and finally with the destruction of Jerusalem/Temple in 70AD.
Micah
Mark: One of the main problems with narrowing
this text down to the destruction of Jerusalem would be that hope is now past.
While I certainly believe this text has an application to the saved individuals
who lived through or died as a result of the temple destruction, to make it
exclusive would basically require that we no longer have hope. Because the end
already came, and hope was to the end.
Sing
Micah: The hope arising from the revelation of
Jesus Christ in 70AD for the Jewish believers and the hope of the revelation of
Jesus Christ for the saints at the end of the world are distinct. Confusion
arises when the distinction is neglected.
Micah
Sing, show it to me.
Sing
Micah: It's pointless.
Micah
Sing, interesting way of ending a discussion
if you have an answer.
Michael Ivey
IMO opinion Paul's use of "the end"
is intended to convey the idea of continuing to hope until Jesus comes again.
In this sense, his statement applies to believers in every generation in that we
do not know the time of his second coming. Peter understood that the timing of
Jesus' second coming cannot be predicted inasmuch as he heard Jesus teach it as
recorded in Matthew 24:43. This is confirmed by Peter's use of the same
metaphor as Jesus used, the unpredicted appearance of a thief, to signify the
unpredictability of Jesus return; as did Paul also. (See 2 Pet 3:10, 1 Thes
5:2.) This being so, all believers are instructed to hopefully anticipate that theirs may be the generation of his return. Thus, it applied to his immediate
audience of believers and in a broader sense to all subsequent believers. Until
Jesus comes again Peter instructed they and we are to always hopefully
anticipate Jesus sudden and unannounced return. And even at death we go to the
grave resting in hope (See Psa 16:9, Acts 2;26) of His return to raise us from
the dead. In this way, in each generation until Jesus returns, we are
instructed to hope continually to the end.
Sing
Michael: Apostle Peter was writing to the
Jewish believers. The end that concerned them was more likely the end of the
earthly theocratic Israel than the ends of other things.
Robert
Sing: so, they were hoping for the destruction
of Jerusalem? Because that would put them at odds with the OT prophets, Jesus,
and the apostles. They all mourned the coming destruction of that city,
although it must be so
Michael Ivey
Sing: Kindly and with respect, dear brother, I
must disagree. I do so because I cannot find context within the epistle by
which I can agree with your position. Where in the epistle does Peter limit
"the end" to the destruction of Jerusalem? In the rules of logic,
Ocham's Razor teaches the simplest explanation is most often the correct
explanation. With this in mind, and since Peter no where specifically mentions
God's pending judgment against Israel, I must take the position the "the
end" means "the end" for his audience and not "the
end" of Jerusalem where none of his specified audience resided.
Furthermore, the destruction of Jerusalem position begs the question regarding
the practice of hope, what was Peter's audience to do after the destruction?
The epistle says "hope to the end." Does this mean hope was no longer
to be practiced after the destruction of Jerusalem? Also, what specifically was
his audience to hope for up to the destruction of Jerusalem; that Israel would
repent and Jerusalem not be destroyed? Too late to hope for that. Jesus
pronounced with finality God's judgment in Matthew 23:37-39 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
[thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth
her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left
unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye
shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord." The die
was cast for national Israel. As a people, they would not be allowed to repent.
The next time they would see Jesus is when he returns at God's command at the
resurrection, when the elect among them will rejoice to say "Blessed [is]
he that cometh in the name ofthe Lord."
Sing
Michael Ivey
What is the end spoken of here?
Mat 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be
preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the
end come.
Does this passage speak of the revelation of
Jesus Christ?
Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of
man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall
see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I will attend to your long list of questions
later.
Sing
Robert @ so, they were hoping for the destruction of
Jerusalem? Because that would put them at odds with the OT prophets, Jesus, and
the apostles. They all mourned the coming destruction of that city, although it
must be so
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1 Peter 1:13 KJV — Wherefore gird up the
loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be
brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
No, they were not hoping for the destruction
of Jerusalem. The text doesn't say so; you are imagining it!
The destruction of Jerusalem - prophesied by
the Lord Jesus Christ Himself and repeated by the Apostles to the Jewish
believers - will deliver them from the bloodthirsty persecution of religious
establishment. That's great deliverance, the grace that is to be brought to
them at the revelation of Jesus Christ to execute judgment upon the perverse untoward
generation.
Christ Jesus Himself prophesied the certain
destruction of Jerusalem; therefore believing in its destruction put them in
line with the Lord, and not at odds with the OT prophets that foretold the
event.
Apostle Peter is exhorting the Jewish
believers to hold on, to endure to the end.
Mat 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my
name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Robert
Sing no it didn’t. Revelation, written near
the end of the first century, says Christians still had to deal with Jewish
persecution.
Furthermore, they were persecuted by the
government to at least as great an extent as the Jews ever did
Sing
Robert: What didn't?
Persecuted by the pagan government and
persecuted by the blood-thirsty untoward religious Jews are a wee bit
difference, is it not!
Robert
Sing how so? Explain
Sing
Robert If you don't see the difference, then
it is futile for me to explain. Thanks.
Billie
Bro Sing
I believe the “end” is the end of the trial
and temptation they faced through persecution that they, the church, were
facing. This may be many times in life.
He tells them that they trust him though they
have not “seen” him. They hold on to hope until we see him in all His glory at
our moment of death and ultimate deliverance from this world of trials and
temptations.
Just my humble opinion.
Sing
Billie: Thank you.
Sing
Billie: "This may be many times in life."
The passage speaks of "the end" - one specific end common for all the people addressed, the Jewish believers.
Billie
Sing i believe I was speaking of the many
deaths that the church collective must experience. This is one end will be
common to us all.
Elbert
I read all comments they could be right. There are differences in the end, ,Jesus when he arose from the dead, ascended to
God in heaven and all power was giving him. This was the end of the law covenant,
started the Grace covenant. The end for us on earth as we know is death ,we
will come out the grave with a body like Jesus,the be gaining of life in
heaven,the end there are many the time on earth end of as we know it, new birth
is the end of our old life ,there are many ends ,we just have rightly decide it
,have a great day
Micah
1 Peter 1:13 KJV — Wherefore gird up the
loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be
brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Please help me with the passage.
Q. What is "the end" spoken of?
I would say either the end of the individuals
life, or the return of Christ, which ever comes first.
Q. What is "the revelation of Jesus
Christ"?
It is the view of him that is unveiled by our
flesh. Having either died and been ushered into glory with the Lord or having
viewed him in the clouds at the last day it is the perfect vision of His
person.
Q. Is the "end" synchronous with
"the revelation of Jesus Christ"?
Yes, I believe the afore provided explanations
would require it.
Q. Have they happened?
Yes and No. it depends on the individual.
Q. If not, when?
The final completion at the resurrection. For
those passing before then at their death.
Q. If yes, when?
Upon the death of every saint who has
previously passed away.
Thank you most kindly in advance for your
help.
Hope that helps.
Reggie
Micah: although I agree with bro. Mark, I do
like how you applied the spiritual aspect to this…
Sing
Reggie: The right meaning of the text is NOT
THE SAME as the various applications of the text. 😊😊😊
Sing
2Peter 3 1 ¶ This second epistle, beloved, I now write
unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which
were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the
apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come
in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his
coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were
from the beginning of the creation.
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Please help me
Q. What are the "last days" spoken of
- the last days of the Jewish world or the last days of the gospel age?
Q. What is "the promise of his coming"
spoken of - his coming in 70AD to judge Israel, or his coming at the end of the
gospel age?
Q. Who was scoffing at the promise of his
coming?
. Did Peter write of the same thing in his
first epistle?
Thank you.
Robert
Sing: are these more real questions or just
another prompting to argue with people over your own views which are already
settled? Because if it’s the latter, why not just make plain statements and
invite discussion?
Sing
Robert: I learned from the late Elder Gene
Thomas the art of learning by asking questions.
He turned a parrot into a student of God's
word. For that, I'm eternally grateful to him.
Robert
Question for the preterists: where do the
other Jewish revolts (the Kitos War and the Bar Kokhba revolt) fit in?
Reggie
Good morning brothers and sisters.. this is
probably the best read I’ve had in a good while.
Eschatology is important. Having the proper
view of where we are today because of the Accomplishments of Jesus Christ and
His Cross is vital to society in every generation.
It’s a good thing to apply the scriptures to
our lives, sure. But, our ego is sneaky. If we don’t reel it in from time to
time, we will begin perverting the truth by making the Bible say things She
never said.
So, in that spirit of humility (which is
surely among every person who has commented here) I would like to connect The
Revelation of Jesus with 1st Peter.
Who is the audience reading 1st Peter?
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the
strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
(1 Peter 1:1 KJV)
Who was The Revelation of Jesus written to?
4 John to the seven churches which are in
Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which
is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; (Revelation 1:4 KJV)
Some common threads are….
Tribulations, persecutions, an end that is
very near and of course, the revelation of Jesus.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind,
be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at
the revelation of Jesus Christ; (1
Peter 1:13
KJV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God
gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to
pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: (Revelation 1:1 KJV)
Sing
Reggie: What happened at the revelation of Jesus
Christ in 1Peter 1:13?
What is the Revelation of Jesus Christ in
Revelation 1:1?
Thank you.
Reggie
Sing: the Jewish wars that began in 66 AD, one
could say, was the catalyst which started a huge, a mass killing off of people
all over that world, that area.
God, according to Jesus, used armies to kill
the Jews.
Luke wrote…..20 And when ye shall see
Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
(Luke 21:20 KJV)
This is the same as…. What Daniel spoke of…
according to Jesus again…
Matthew wrote…..15 When ye therefore shall
see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in
the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) (Matthew
24:15 KJV)
And both these verses are followed by….
Luke wrote…21 Then let them which are in
Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart
out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. (Luke
21:21 KJV)
Matthew wrote….16 then let them which be in
Judæa flee into the mountains: (Matthew 24:16 KJV)
This is Jesus commanding the jewish Church
which was birthed at Pentecost, to flee… this is also the meaning behind the 5
wise and 5 foolish virgins parable… this is also why Jesus taught the unjust
Stewart parable… that the churches in Asia Minor (houses) might be more willing
to receive the Jewish church in their exodus.
But remember what Jesus said before this?
(This is why Corinth was so so so so
important! This is why Corinth was chosen out of all the other churches to have
the prolonged gifts of tongues. Corinth was the hub of all Asia, Rome, sea
ports and highways from the north in between Rome and Asia Minor.)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be
preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the
end come. (Matthew 24:14 KJV)
So, what happened in 1st Peter ch.1 vs.13?
The mass killing off of the Jewish people all
over that region, including Israel, along with the major instabilities that
region was in…
The ruler over all the land, even down into
Egypt, was the Keisers… the Kurioses. The Lord, which was The Emperor or Rome.
During this time, they went through 7 kings. 5 right before the destruction of
Israel. Then two more right behind them, in quick fashion.
This should tell us that this was the most
unstable time this land had ever experienced, and it hasn’t experienced so
great a mass killing off of people that even the Ceasars were being
assassinated….
Copy paste…
The Jewish–Roman wars were a series of
large-scale revolts by the Jews of the Eastern Mediterranean against the Roman
Empire between 66 and 135 CE.[10] While the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE)
and the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE) were nationalist rebellions, striving to
restore an independent Judean state, the Kitos War was more of an
ethno-religious conflict, mostly fought outside Judea Province. Hence, some
sources use the term Jewish-Roman Wars to refer only to the First Jewish–Roman
War (66–73 CE) and the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–135 CE), while others include the
Kitos War (115–117 CE) as one of the Jewish–Roman wars
Ok, now that we got all that out the way….and
by the way, we learn our arithmetics, literature, economics and government in
what we call…(Elementary School)… this is that element which melted with
fervent heat…. The world’s ways of doing things…And the stars were the rulers
of that time which so called, gave light (understanding)… and they fell from
their seat of power.
Now think of elementary school rebuking vain
traditions from our fathers…
14 as obedient children, not fashioning
yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 but as he which
hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16
because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the
Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work,
pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18 forasmuch as ye know that ye
were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain
conversation received by tradition from your fathers; (1 Peter
1:14-18 KJV)
The world we live in today holds to truths
that are absolutely true… the world in their day was full of fables and old
wives tales…
The Grace of God removed the hostility that God had toward man, enabling God to draw near unto man, giving man a heart and desire to seek Him, and that seeking God produced our education system of today which gives us all the creaturely comforts we have… and this world is getting better and better… God has been restoring and is continuing to restore this earth and man whom He created… this is the reason for the cross.
Reggie
Part of the revelation of Jesus is…..His
Words concerning the nation of Israel coming to an end being fulfilled. If one
takes away 70 AD… then they take away all the apocalyptic passages concerning
Jesus’s prophesies about Jerusalem and the temple being destroyed.
To take away 70 AD is to hide Jesus’ Prophecy coming true.
Reggie
So, to make the Bible say things that it
didn’t say, aka bad eschatology, is to take away from the Words Jesus said,
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things
shall come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 KJV)
making Him a liar…
Reggie
The destruction of Jerusalem
Sing
Reggie: Thank you, Sir.
Reggie
I might add, the historical majority view of
Primitive Baptists has been
Copy Paste…
The amillennial view regards the
"thousand years" mentioned in Revelation 20 as a symbolic number, not
as a literal description; amillennialists hold that the millennium has already
begun and is identical with the current church age. Amillennialism holds that
while Christ's reign during the millennium is spiritual in nature, at the end
of the church age, Christ will return in final judgment and establish a
permanent reign in the new heaven and new Earth.
Reggie
And I’m not a Preterits, fully, I am Post
Mill. #DatPostmil
Sing
Reggie: I'm a gospel millennialist. 😊
Reggie
Sing, then you may fall under Amill… just as
the classical long held view of the Anabaptists/Primitive Baptists…
This idea of a future fulfillment of Israel
building some third temple to be destroyed stems from dispensational
premillennialism… it’s a consequence of an idea… anyone who strives to be
consistent with a view they hold must adjust all other truths surrounding that
view to fit…
Robert
Reggie: the idea of a rebuilt temple can stem
from how one views 2 Thessalonians 2, and have absolutely nothing to do with a
particular framework of eschatology.
I rather dislike boiling people down into various camps. It is possible for people to honestly search the scripture and arrive at an opinion of what they mean without regard to a particular school of thought
