Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Monday, November 7, 2022

Command of Christ or Consent of Church


#CommandofChrist
#ConsentofChurch

An inquiry:
Ok so Paul was baptized without having any church consenting to his baptism but only Ananias who is a minister. Church consent is not needed during baptism, it is between the person and the minister (and God of course). Baptism is ministerial, not at all congregational.

(a discussion on baptism and membership..)

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A response:
Church's consent is not needed whatsoever when a minister of Christ obey Christ's command to baptize AND add the baptized to the church. If this statement is wrong, show the Scriptures that say otherwise.

Christ's command to the minister is simple and plain - Mt 28:19-20. Acts 2 demonstrate how that command was understood by the Apostles - baptize and add the baptized into the church; the fictional church consent is not in the equation.

This division/separation between ministerial and congregational in the matter of baptism and membership of the baptized is a fable invented out of thin air... by those who want to separate baptism and membership for some practical reasons. So, practical consideration, i.e. human pragmatism has dethroned Christ and His plain command. Christ is the head of the church is just a cheap pious shibboleth.

Perhaps, it's time both the administrator AND the congregation he shepherds learn to submit to the plain command of Christ in the matter.

Baptism is ministerial - that's a true statement. Therefore, in obedience to Christ's command to him, as the servant of Christ to the church, he baptizes and adds the baptized into the church, with Christ's consent.

 A congregation may choose to overrule Christ's command and consent.
A minister of Christ WON'T.

Instead, the congregation can choose to humbly submit and consent to Christ's command, gladly receive those added to the church by baptism, and LABOUR to do spiritual good to the new members.

Therefore, what Christ has joined together, let not mere man put asunder.

2 Timothy 2:7 KJT

Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

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A question:
If I understand what you say correctly, this means that the minister of the gospel can baptise and then automatically add the person baptised to the church membership even if the members of the church have reservations about the candidate?

A reply:
A minister of the gospel is the pastor of the church; he would inform the church of someone seeking baptism; the church members have all the liberty to state their reservations about the candidate; a wise administrator will listen to the reservations raised and deal with those reservations before administering baptism. If there are legitimate reasons that prevent him from membership, he will not be baptized.

Members may have all kinds of reservations about the candidate;  some are valid, others may be frivolous i.e. he's a wife beater, she is immoral...  he doesn't understand the 5-phases of salvation yet; she is dull-minded and won't make a good church member, I  dislike black, he won't do much good to the church, etc.

We need to get the principle right and then deal with the practical implications that come along with obeying the biblical principle. Wisdom and prudence are needed in obeying the principle.