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Hey, tell me please; did the adopted child believe in the adoptive parents first in order to be adopted by them? |
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November 26, 2011
"Nobody is born into this world a child
of the family of God. We are born as children of wrath. The only way we enter
into the family of God is by adoption, and that adoption occurs when we are
united to God's only begotten Son by faith. When by faith we are united with
Christ, we are then adopted into that family of whom Christ is the
firstborn."
[The above is a statement by a popular
'reformed' man. Don't worry about his name now.]
What do you think of his idea about adoption?
I say, at best, it is very deficient. At
worst, it is HERETICAL.
Cheri
He does not understand the process, nor
evidently the significance of regeneration and justification; let alone and the
difference betwixt goats and sheep. The child of God has always been the object
of His love, from before the foundation of the world, in the Mind and Purpose
of God. Scripture speaks abundantly to that fact, that even whilst we were at
emnity with God, we were His children, whom He loves. We love Him because He
first loved us.
But strictly keeping to his statement, what
would he say in regard to the documented case of John the Baptist, who leaped
for joy in the womb at the very approach of Mary, quick with the child Jesus? 😉
As a general rule, I'm not much impressed by those who are adored of men. I'm just weird that way, I reckon.
Charles
No child can be adopted until it reaches an
age of rational reasoning, then!!! conditional and merited adoption! LOL even
adoption agencies reject this notion
Sing F Lau
The Scriptures declare these truths about the
elects, their:
- Adoption to sonship PREDESTINED in Christ
in eternity.
- Adoption to sonship LEGALLY transacted by
Christ at the cross.
- Adoption to sonship PERSONALIZED, vitally
born as son and adopted into God's family at the effectual calling out of the
native state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation.
- Adoption to sonship EXPERIENCED by faith in
Jesus Christ, 'But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, even to them that believe on his name...'
- Adoption to sonship GLORIFIED on the day of
resurrection.
Deficient:
He knows a fraction of the truth of adoption
taught in the Scriptures. His picture of adoption is like a one-fingered hand,
a hideous monstrosity.
Heretical:
- One whom God has not adopted as son is able
to believe in order to be adopted by God as a son.
- One whom God has not united to Christ is
able to believe in order to be united to Christ.
That's what a great and adored Calvinist
believes, and teaches and trains other little calvinists to believe!
They are more sick than BLACK FRIDAY we are
witnessing in USA!
Both have gone to the dogs!
Penny Karn
As thou knowest not what [is] the way of the
spirit, [nor] how the bones [do grow] in the womb of her that is with child:
even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Sing F Lau
Penny, how does that passage relate to the
topic of adoption?
Michael
It only glorifies man, where is God in the
picture? Pure grace without our works saving us gives us total and total
assurance that we are saved, since God is perfect and he saved us, there is no
flaw in eternal salvation.
Sing F Lau
The biblical teaching on adoption is like a
wholesome well-formed 5-fingered hand...
1. Adoption to sonship PREDESTINED in Christ
in eternity.
- Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the
adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure
of his will.
2. Adoption to sonship LEGALLY transacted by
Christ at the cross.
- Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was
come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem
them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
3. Adoption to sonship PERSONALIZED, vitally
born as son and adopted into God's family at the effectual calling out of the
native state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation.-John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor
of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
- Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons [i.e. legally
adopted], God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying,
Abba, Father [i.e. regenerated and adopted].
4. Adoption to sonship EXPERIENCED by faith
in Jesus Christ.
- John 1:12 'But as many as received him, to
them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his
name...'
- Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit
of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of
bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we
cry, Abba, Father.
5. Adoption to sonship GLORIFIED on the day
of resurrection.
- Rom 8: 22 For we know that the whole creation
groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also,
which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within
ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is
seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Sing F Lau
The 'reformed' view expressed by acclaimed
and adored calvinist Roaring Crazy Sprawl is really the Deformed and Deficient
view on adoption.
Charles
LOL Paul washer and Ray comfort wannabees!!
reformers alright (deformers)
Sing F Lau
That's calvinist DEFORMED version of
salvation by God's free and sovereign grace!!! And so many love it!
Ken Savage
What about repentance?
Mark Thomas
What about repentance? Does repentance have a
single thing to do with adoption or being fathered and born??? Someone needs to
get their ducks in a row.
Mikal Smith
I agree!! We were "by nature"
children of wrath, but God has not appointed us unto death!!! When was that
appointment??? Well the same time all of God's decree was formed, sometime in
eternity past, which never had beginning so has always been!! Goats do not turn
into sheep! Jesus did not have a lost goat who he brought back and made a
sheep!! Jesus told the religious leaders, "you do not believe because you
are not my sheep" thus being a sheep is prerequisite to believing and not
vice versa!! So short answer long, I believe that is incorrect teaching!
Sing F Lau
Sheep were given to Christ, but those sheep
were lost sheep... separate from the owner because of sins. Jesus came to seek
for them, and brings them to Himself.
He did that by giving Himself as a substitute
for His lost sheep... to live the perfect sinless to secure the needed
righteousness for His sheep, and to lay down His life be bear away their curse
and condemnation upon himself.
Being a FOUND sheep, found by the Shepherd -
purchased at the cross, and regenerated at effectual calling - is prerequisite to
believing.
Jonas
:) dat's biblical!! pastor sing! 🙂 no man can refute dat!
