Genesis 6:5 ¶ And
GOD saw that the wickedness
of man was great in the earth,
and that every
imagination of the thoughts
of his heart was only evil continually.
What brought about such universal moral degeneration in Genesis 6?
Do you seriously think the mixed marriage between the godly and the ungodly is the explanation for what you read in Genesis 6? Since when did God forbid mixed marriage? Are you sure you are not importing something of a much later date to explain Genesis 6? What had happened that brought such catastrophic disaster, and necessary destruction? Do you think mixed marriage can do that? Wasn't there any mixed marriage prior to that?
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Comments
James
McDonald
Mixed
marriages between people groups was not the problem, but the Lord clearly
forbids marriage between His people and those of the world. However, what
brought on the Flood was this: "Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of
man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart
was only evil continually." ~ Genesis 6:5
The message of the Flood is that we are all undone without Jesus.
Chase
Harrison
Bro.
Sing, if I may ask, what sparked these questions?
I
honestly don't know anyone who believes that mixed marriages is what caused God
to judge sin via the flood. No offence to anyone, but that is one of the most
ridiculous things I have ever heard. lol.
James McDonald has accurately presented the reason for the flood.
Sing
F Lau
Gen
6 begins with these words...
"1
¶ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and
daughters were born unto them,
2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they
took them wives of all which they chose."
What
do these two verses tell you?
James gave NO reason for the flood - until he explains the reason for these words, "the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." What caused or brought this about?
James
McDonald
Sing
- sin. Plain and simple.
Chase
Harrison
Amen,
I think so too...
As
men and women multiplied, so did sin..... and sin multiplied to the point that
it repented God that He had made man on the earth and it grieved Him at His
heart.
Sing
F Lau
And
so after the flood all that changed? - i.e men and women multiplied, but sins
not so much anymore?
Sing
F Lau
James,
has sin lost some of its power to effect the same thing after the flood?
James
McDonald
No
Sing - not at all. We stand in the same position, guilty as charged, before the
holy and righteous Judge. The Flood stands as a warning to us all - flee to
Jesus.
Sing
F Lau
I
fear you have not begun to appreciate the seriousness of what actually happened
in Gen 6 that brought about the NEEDED destruction!
Chase
Harrison
tell
us your thoughts Bro Sing, I am anxious to know about this seriousness that
alludes my understanding.
James
McDonald
Brother
- I do indeed appreciate the seriousness of what happened. Sin is that which
destroyed man then, and it is what destroys man now. We all stand guilty before
the Holy God. His love, mercy, forbearance, and promise that He would never
again destroy the earth as He did then are the only things that stay His Hand.
Without
Jesus, mankind will still face His wrath. And it is not any less than what He
poured out on all flesh during the days of Noah.
If
you are interested, I preached on this not long ago. You can find the sermons
here:
Audio: The Good The Bad The Ugly | Providence Church | Morton, Illinois
PROVIDENCEPEORIA.ORG
Catherine
Green
In
his EP Study Commentary on Genesis (p.174/5), John Currid writes "...the sons
of God are those of the line of Seth, the godly line, and the daughters of men
are descendants of Cain. Thus the episode relates the intermarriage of the two
lines." He offers four supporting arguments: (1) It fits the context of
Genesis thus far - the unfolding of the promise in 3:15; (2) The Hebrew of
"saw that the daughters of men were good" is similar to Eve
"seeing that the fruit was good", emphasizing "the attraction of
physical lure" and not a moral "goodness", (3) Currid noted an
alternate reading at the end of 4:26, which could render it "then men began to be called by the name Yahweh". This supports the line of Seth now
being called "the sons of God" in 6:1-2; (4) the consequences of the
intermarriage are found in verse 5.
Sing
F Lau
There
you are... someone thinks that intermarriage brought about such catastrophic
effects.
If
intermarriage can bring about such an effect, what would be the effect of the
marriage among raw pagans? Would it be far worse?
When did intermarriage ever become an issue? Isn't it a much later problem imported
into Gen 6?
Just
asking to promote thinking!
Sing
F Lau
Brother
Chase... connect Gen 6 and the Jude and 2Pet 2 passages! Very hard for
conditioned minds to believe... but mystery is solved. Think a bit first...
Nick
Migliacci
Sing,
the reason God doesn't flood the earth now as He did then, is simply because He
made a promise not to do so! It's NOT because sin today is somehow less sinful
as back then, and anybody who infers that needs a new pair of glasses.
Sing,
I read Genesis 1-6 in one sitting, and indeed, it is clear that it's simply
about the Godly line getting mixed up with Cain's line; those two lines are
drawn ever so clearly not only in those beginning chapters, but throughout the
rest of the Bible. What John Currid wrote is what I, too, believe. I encourage
you to read Genesis 1-6 in one sitting, as if it were your first time reading
it, from a fresh slate, and I think you'll see it as plain as day.
James
McDonald
Sing
- again, the issue is sin. It is not some great mystery.
Nick
Migliacci
Sing,
if God didn't "do something quick" so to speak, then there would be
no godly remnant through which to bring His (promised) Messiah (3:15). So He
preserved Noah in order to preserve a godly remnant.
Sing
F Lau
Nick,
so you are saying that the situation today is no less than in Gen 6?
Gen
6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Is
that a description of the situation today?
Nick, What makes you think that Gen 6 is talking about the two lines mixed up?
Gen
6:1 is a general statement about MANKIND multiplying.
6:1
¶ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and
daughters were born unto them,
2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they
took them wives of all which they chose.
On
what ground do you say the 'sons of God' refer to Sethites and the 'daughters
of men' refer Cainites?
Sing
F Lau
Brother
Chase, think about this:
The
"sons of God" in Gen 6 brought destruction.
The
true Son of God, the eternal Word made flesh, brought salvation.
James
McDonald
Actually,
the sin of Adam and Eve brought destruction. In Adam, we all die. But Jesus
brought life, and that more abundantly.
Nick
Migliacci
Sing,
you ask "Just what makes you think that Gen 6 is taking about the two
lines mixed up?" Because I read Genesis 1:1-6:1 straight through without
taking a break, and that became clearer to me than the nose on my face.
Chase
Harrison
@Nick,
I honestly don't see how it is so clear. While it may be true, and you may very
well be right, it is an inference and that connection is not directly made in
Scripture.
I
am one that tries very hard not to read anything into any Scripture that is not
actually indicated in the Scripture, i.e. I am very careful with my own ideas,
inferences, and speculations regarding what I "think" the Bible says,
and what it actually says.
Please
teach me and help me to see how Gen. 1:1-6 is so clearly talking about what you
describe and not just an inference. I personally don't see it yet. I like the
ideas and thoughts about it. They are very interesting to consider. But I am
not convinced yet that the Scripture itself supports that view/interpretation.
Chase
Harrison
Here
is a new thought I just had:
"That
the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took
them wives of all which they chose."
It
says "saw the daughters" plural, and it says "took them wives of
ALL which they chose".
God
instituted marriage in the garden to be between ONE man and ONE woman (Gen.
2:24). Could it be that God is sorely displeased that the "sons of
God" saw that the "daughters" (plural) of men were fair, so they
took wives of ALL which they chose, i.e. they began to take multiple wives and
had forsaken God's holy institution of marriage being between one man and one
woman only??
Nick
Migliacci
...Which
THEY themselves chose, not which GOD chose for them. The men were more
interested in outward appearance than in godliness.
Chase
Harrison
yes,
that was my point, I realize they chose unto themselves multiple wives and had
forsaken what God said. What do you think about my thoughts and interpretation
of that? And
could you please provide some more detail of why you believe Gen 1:1-6 is so
clearly talking about the line of Seth versus the line of Cain and their
intermingling.
Sing
F Lau
Sing,
you ask "Just what makes you think that Gen 6 is talking about the two
lines mixed up?" Because I read Genesis 1:1-6:1 straight through without
taking a break, and that became clearer to me than the nose on my face.
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Do you think prior to Gen 6:1 there was no intermarriage (if intermarriage was EVEN an issue then!!!!!!!)?
If
intermarriage had such disastrous consequences, what about the marriage among
the 'ungodly' line.
As
you read from Gen 1:1-6:1, are you JOLTED at 6:1 that something very abnormal
happened???
Men had been marrying and were given in marriage ... then something INTRUDED into that
natural process in human procreation? Until you see... you will be IN THE
BOX.<LOL>
Sing
F Lau
Chase
@ "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and
they took them wives of all which they chose."
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Consider
verse 1 first. Read verse 2 in the context of verse 1.
"1
¶ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and
daughters were born unto them.
Men
began to multiply - just who are these men? According to your idea, these must
be the ungodly line! According to your mind, these ungodly line produces
ungodly daughters. And the men from the godly line (the so-called 'sons of God
in v2) married them all, and multiple of them!
Is
that what you are saying?
I
suggest that verse 1 is a general statement about the procreating activity of
mankind... sons of men marrying the daughters of men.
Into
this natural process INTRUDED something most UNNATURAL.
Go
figure out a bit! Ask questions.
Chase
Harrison
No,
the idea of the two lines is not my idea or thinking, brother Sing, it is the
idea presented by some of the others in this discussion.
Chase
Harrison
"Into
this natural process INTRUDED something most UNNATURAL."
You're
gonna have to explain that.... I have no idea what you are referring to or
getting at with that statement.
Sing
F Lau
Chase
Harrison @ No, the idea of the two lines is not my idea or thinking, brother
Sing, it is the idea presented by some of the others in this discussion.
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I
am sorry to attribute the idea to the wrong person.
But
that's a popular idea among the PBs, and nearly all others. They NAIVELY think
the problem was the intermarriage between the two lines which brought about
such catastrophic effects, and necessitated the divine destruction!
Alan
Lloyd
Some
think fallen angels were supposedly intermarrying with women.
Charles
Page
I
am not excusing myself for my lack of 'thinking depth' I am an experiential
feeler!
But
it is my speculation that we will be surprised at the way God sends the final
flood of fire in the way the regenerate are tortured in earthly time for their
sin in hades even though they will have an eternal home in heaven. I can not
myself embrace the intensity of this and I believe God is withholding the
knowledge for our own sakes here lest we kill ourselves. Even the regenerate
would cry out for the hills to fall on us!
Chase
Harrison
Bro.
Sing F Lau,
"But
that's a popular idea among the PBs, and nearly all others."
I
don't know of any PBs that believe in the "intermarriage of the two
lines" theory as the reason for the flood..... and I know a lot of
PBs!.... or at least I have never heard any PBs "say" they believe it
or preach on it.
Bro.
Sing, if you don't go along with the intermarriage theory, then what is your
view of it?
Chase
Harrison
I
agree with Hector..... I have always just seen this as the wickedness of man
had become so great on the earth that it repented God that He had made man on
the earth and it grieved Him in His heart. Therefore, in His wrath and
righteous judgment, God sent the flood to judge all the sin, wickedness, and
corruption that was upon the earth.
Regarding
the "Messianic line through Noah not the sons of God":
Noah
came out of the lineage of Seth (see Gen 5), and Seth was the chosen seed after Cain slew Abel:
"And
Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For
God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain
slew." - Gen 4:25
Chase
Harrison
The
Messianic line is listed in Luke chapter 3. It begins with Adam (the son of
God) and goes through Seth and Noah, and then through Abraham of course all the
way to Jesus Christ.
Sing
F Lau
Chase
@ I don't know of any PBs that believe in the "intermarriage of the two
lines" theory as the reason for the flood..... and I know a lot of
PBs!.... or at least I have never heard any PBs "say" they believe it
or preach on it.
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Chase,
request to be on the FGF forum, and check the archive for the discussion on
that very subject of the 'sons of God.'
I
don't know many PBs... but those that did speak up, nearly all of them believe
the intermarriage of the two lines was the explanation for the disastrous
effects.
Chase
Harrison
Bro.
Sing, I don't have any interest in registering on FGF, if you don't go along
with the intermarriage theory and interpretation, then what is your view of it?
Please
do share if you don't mind.
Sing
F Lau
2Pe
2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell,
and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own
habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the
judgment of the great day.
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The
angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation:
-
when and where did they do that? Gen 6
-
what was their first estate, and own habitation? Spirit realm.
-
were all the fallen angelic hosts involved? No, only those involved in Gen 6
-
are those angels free today? No, they are in everlasting chains. But all others are free.
Angelic
beings TRANSGRESSED and enter the human realm - these kept not their own estate
and left their own habitation. They attempted to frustrate and short-circuit
the redemptive plan of God.
Yolie
Gonzalez
Footnotes:
Genesis 6:5
*every
intention...of his heart. A vivid portrayal of the depth and comprehensiveness
of human depravity (cf. 8:21)
Footnotes:
Genesis 8:21
*pleasing.
A play on words results from the similarity between this Hebrew word and Noah's
name. This reference to the Divine sense of smell anthropomorphically portrays
the pleasure God takes in the worship of His people (Ezek. 20:41; Eph. 5:2; cf.
2 Cor. 2:15,16). As a propitiatory sacrifice. Noah's burnt offerings soothed
God's indignation against sin (6.6) and prefigured the death of Christ (Is.
53:10). Pleased with the sacrifice of His servant Noah (cf. 4:4), God resolved
never again to send a flood (cf. 6:6 note).
*curse
the ground. God is not lifting the curse of 3:17 but promising not to destroy
the earth again by flood (9:11).
*for
the intention....evil. The gracious character of the Noahic covenant is
underscored by the Divine promise, despite the continuing presence of human sin
deserving judgment, never again to send a deluge. Such grace also underlies
God's preservation of Israel (Ex. 33:3; 34:9)
*Neither
will I ever strike again. God's grace towards Noah extended to mankind in
general (6:8; 9:12)
-
cf. 2 Cor. 2:15; *we are the aroma of Christ to God. That we are a sweet aroma
to God means that He delights in us and in our lives. This is the more real and
final fulfillment of the Old Testament that were a sweet aroma to God (Lev.
1:17)
-
cf. 2 Cor. 2:16; *Figuratively speaking there is a pleasant fragrance,
spiritually perceived, about true Christians. On the other hand, this fragrance
is a "fragrance from death" to unbelievers, for it warns them that
they are unprepared for the day of judgment (Phil. 1:28).
*sufficient
for these things. Carrying a message of eternal life or death is a sobering
responsibility. No one is worthy of this solemn task, but God qualifies us for
it nonetheless (3:6).
-
cf. Genesis 6:6; *was sorry. Here a reference to a change of attitude and
actions. There is no contradiction between this verse and passages teaching the
changeless (immutability) of God (Mal. 3:6; James 1:17) and that God does not
change His mind (Num. 23:19; 1 Sam. 15:29; Ps. 33:11; Is. 46:10). Remembering
that this description is anthropopathic (God is depicted in terms of the human
experience of knowledge and emotion), we must also recognize that the immutable
and sovereign God deals appropriately with changes in human behavior. When they
sin or repent of sin, He "changes His mind" with regard to the
blessing or punishment appropriate to the situation ((Ex. 32:12; 14, 1 Sam.
15:11; 2 Sam. 24:16; Jer. 18:11; Amos 7:3, 6) -- all in accordance with His
sovereign and eternal purposes. Because God is changeless in His being, and
eternally loyal to His covenant promises, we can have firm confidence in Him
who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever" (Heb. 13:8 and note)
- footnote Heb. 13:8 *Though human leaders, pass from the scene, Jesus Christ
is "the same" (1:12) "yesterday" (in which God spoke
through the prophets, 1:1), "today" (as God summons us to enter His
rest through faith, 3:7; 13; 4:7), and "forever" (1:8; 7:17; 21, 24,
28). He is the strong anchor amid suffering and uncertainties (6:19).
(All
footnotes are from The Reformation Bible - ESV)
***ALL
OF SACRED SCRIPTURE IS HOLISTCALLY INTEGRATED AS GOD'S REDEMPTIVE PLAN FOR MAN***
Grace be with all of us. In Christ!
Chase
Harrison
Interesting
thoughts brother Sing F Lau, but I have to be honest and say I do not agree
with that position. To me, there is a whole lot of speculation there and no
Scriptural foundation. I will continue to study and consider what you said
though. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts with me.
Yolie
Gonzalez
THE
FALL
Genesis
3:1 "Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field
that the LORD God had made."
3:1-24
The guardians of the sanctuary are now tested for fidelity to their King. The
test is administered under a covenant of works: obedience entitles them to life
with God; disobedience brings death. Their failure points to their need for
justification and sanctification through Christ's fulfillment of the covenant
of grace.
3:14,15
The language has a double reference, referring both to the serpent and Satan.
***Genesis
3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your
offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise
his heel."
Notes
3:15:
* I
will put enmity. God graciously coverts the depraved woman's affections from
Satan to Himself.
*
your offspring and her offspring. Humanity is now divided into two communities,
the redeemed who love God, and the reprobate, who love self (John 8:33; 44; 1
John 3:8). The division finds immediate expression in the hostility of Cain
against Abel (ch. 4). This prophecy finds ultimate fulfilment in the triumph
of the Second Adam, and the community united with Him, over the forces of sin,
death, and the devil (Dan. 7:13, 14; Rom. 5:12-19; 16:20; 1 Cor. 15:45-49; Heb.
2:14-15).
*
bruise...bruise. Before His glorious victory, the woman's Seed must suffer to
win the new community from the serpent's dominion (Is. 53:12; Luke 24:26, 46; 2
Cor. 1:5-7; Col. 1:24; 1 Pet. 1:11).
*
head...heel. The suffering Christ is victorious. He has already won the victory
at the Cross by providing an atonement for the saints. (Col. 2:13-15) and will
consummate it at His Second Coming (2 Thess. 1:5-10).
***EVIL...THE
PROBLEM OF EVIL. There is an ongoing war going on between the (Imperishable)
Seed of the woman, and the seed of the serpent until Christ Second Coming.
*Revelation
4:11 - "Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive glory, and honor and
power, for You created all things, and by Your Will they existed and were
created."
4:11
* you created. The praise and imagery of chapter 4 focus on crreation,
asserting God's Sovereignty over the universe.
"SIN
IS THAT WHICH DESTROYED MAN THEN AND IT IS WHAT DESTROYS MAN NOW. WE ALL STAND
GUILTY BEFORE THE HOLY GOD. WITHOUT JESUS, MANKIND WILL STILL FACE HIS WRATH.
AND IT IS NOT ANY LESS THAN WHAT HE POURED OUT ON ALL FLESH DURING THE DAYS OF
NOAH" as Pastor McDonald stated and also graciously shared his sermons
above.
Matthew
6:33 - "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all
things will be added to you." ~ Hallelujah!
Sing
F Lau
Chase
@ To me, there is a whole lot of speculation there and no Scriptural
foundation.
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Explain
these two passages:
2Pe
2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell,
and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own
habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the
judgment of the great day.
I
did ask some plain questions. Answer them according to your understanding... and
see what you end up with. It is perfectly permissible to believe anything one
feels led, just make sure he must be ready to answer any objections.
So
go on, raise your objections with such a view. After all, it is a discussion
and learning process.
Sing
F Lau
2Pe
2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell,
and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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How
did those angels sin? What was their sin?
When
did those angels sin - was it before or after man's fall?
What
happened to those angels that sinned?
Those
angels who sinned, were ALL of them cast down into hell?
Are
those angels that were cast into hell still free?
These
are simple and legitimate questions that the text begs!
What
are your answers to them?
Sing
F Lau
They
are there if one has eyes to see them! Search for it...
Yolie
Gonzalez
Dear
Pastor Lau, I
shared twice before you and the other gentlemen. Afterwards, I had a sense of
conviction come upon me in that I had acted naively, it was inappropriate and
"out of place" for me to share. If I have offended you, or any other
gentleman, I desire to repent of my sin and ask you for forgiveness. It was
certainly not my intention to be rude, intrude and/or overstep any man's
boundaries. My sharing was sincere yet albeit it, I fell "short of the
mark" and I also quoted "out of context" with respect to your
question as well. (I am quite "a work in progress!"). I did share
genuinely, out of reverence for Almighty God and His Commands, and also out of
love for others. This is a manner in which this creature "stretches and
grows and looks a little more like Jesus" for it causes me to dig into The
Word of God.
The
sharing I did on Saturday night left me quite disturbed at heart. My husband
was asleep, and I did not know where he had placed The Westminster Confession
of Faith and Catechisms - with Proof Texts which is an excellent
"tool" which we use alongside The Holy Bible for purposes of a deeper
level of understanding and instruction. Because what I shared left me rather
disturbed, Sunday morning I got my hands on The Bible and The Westminster
Confession of Faith, and I have been praying and studying it. I am burdened to
"make straight" what I shared. So, it is with all due respect and
consideration towards you, in particular, Pastor Lau (since you raised the
question) to share adequately, and "in context." I do share with each
of you in spirit of humility, and also in a spirit of repentance before God. My
hope and prayer is to glorify God, and trust Him to usher into the hearts which
He has prepared by His Grace to receive "The Light of His Glorious
Truth."
------
*The
Confession of Faith - Chapter 6 "Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the Punishment
Thereof"
1.
Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptation of Satan,
sinned, in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin, God was pleased,
according to His wise counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His
own glory.
2.
By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion with God,
and also became dead in sin, and all parts and faculties of soul and body.
3.
They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed, and the
same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity
descending from them by ordinary generation.
4.
From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and
made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all
actual transgressions.
5.
This corruption of nature, during this life, doth remain in those that are
regenerated, and although it be, through Christ, pardoned, and mortified; yet
both itself, and all the motions thereof, are truly and properly sin.
6. Every
sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of
God, and contrary thereunto, doth, in its own nature, bring guilt upon the
sinner, whereby he is bound over to the wrath of God, and curse of the law, and
so made subject to death, with all miseries, spiritual, temporal, and eternal.
(Scriptures
referenced to review/study/sustain God's Truth include: a. Gen. 3:13; 2 Cor.
11:3: *b. see WCF chapter 5, section 4* c. Gen. 3:6-8; Rom. 3:23: d. Gen. 2:17;
Eph. 2:1-3; See Rom. 5:12: e. Gen. 6:5; Jer. 17:9; Titus 1:15; Rom. 3:10-19: f.
Acts 17:26; Rom. 5:12, 15-19; 1 Cor. 15:21-22, 49: g. Ps. 51:5; John 3:6; Gen.
5:3; Job 15:14: h. Rom. 5:6; Rom. 7:18; Rom. 8:7, Col. 1:21: i. Gen. 8:21; *See
Gen. 6:5; Rom. 3:10-12: k. Matt. 15:19; James 1:14-15; Eph. 2:2-3: l. Prov.
20:9; Ecc. 7:20; Rom. 7:14, 17-18, 21-23; 1 John 1:8, 10: m. Rom. 7:7-8, 25;
Gal. 5:17: n. 1 John 3:4: o. Rom. 2:15; Rom. 3:9, 19.
Thank
you kindly, Pastor Lau, and each other gentleman for your patience and
consideration in this matter before Our Thrice HOLY GOD! It is by His
Providence that I was immeasurably blessed by God for it caused me to engage
and again dig in deeply and richly and study myself, "The Fall of Man, of
Sin, and of the Punishment Thereof." I have grown in His Grace and Truth,
and I am reminded of His Word, "For we are His workmanship created in
Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk
in them." ~ Ephesians 2:10
May
The Lord richly bless and keep you and your beautiful wife, Pastor Lau.
I
remain, respectfully yours,
Mrs.
Yolanda Gonzalez ~ Soli Deo Gloria!
Sing
F Lau
Yolanda,
you have done nothing amiss. I was not offended in the least! You have said lots of helpful things.
But
the big thing you miss is the "sons of God" in the context of what
happened.
If
it is just the fall of man that explains the event in Gen 6, why doesn't the
fall of man have the same effect after the fall?
When
mankind was happily multiplying, it was the sons of man marrying daughters of man, the
'sons of God' entered into that process and took to themselves daughters of men
also.
Go
figure a bit. Think outside the box!
Have a good day.
Sing
F Lau
Thanks
for your answers.
Your
answer to Q1: "No,
"mixed marriage" between "godly" and "ungodly" is
not the stated Biblical reason for Noah's Flood in Genesis 6. God's reasons for
the Flood are stated clearly in Genesis 6:5-7 which refers to man's ever-worsening depravity and rebellion (i.e. sin) which repeats Adam's sin in the
Garden in Genesis 3:6, i.e. man wants to be like God. Adam's sin was cosmic
treason against God and a breaking of the Covenant of Works thus causing death
to man (spiritually, physically, emotionally, etc.) and subjecting the creation
to entropy...all under the law of sin and death."
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Let's
examine your answer a little.
1.
Of course it was NOT the mixed marriage between godly sons of MEN and the
ungodly daughters of MEN. Any marriage - even between the worst of the heathens
can't cause anything near to what is described in Gen 6.
Just
who are the 'sons of God'?
Surely
the INEXTRICABLE connection between the statement of the 'sons of God saw the
daughters of men... and took them wives of all which they chose' and its
catastrophic effects and necessary following destruction CAN NOT be denied.
What
is the CAUSE of what is stated in verse 4? Is it not what is stated in verse 2.
Those
'giants' that became 'mighty men', 'men of renown' - in what sense were
they mighty and what were they renowned for? See verse 5 for the answer!
Did
the same natural entropy work the same way in the generations after Noah?
Was
that process of entropy in some way arrested and subdued by the flood?
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