https://www.facebook.com/sing.f.lau/posts/10200321054244464
July 26, 2013
God
justifies the ungodly...
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God justifies... the PERSON who justifies.
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God justifies the UNGODLY... those in need of justification before God, and by
God, EVEN those in the state of condemnation and death!
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God justifies the ungodly by grace.... this is the MANNER God justifies those
dead in trespasses and sins. This is the ONLY manner those in their native
state of condemnation and death can ever be justified.
Therefore
justification is by grace alone; it is NOT through ANYTHING found in man - not
EVEN through man's faith... for there isn't one iota of faith found in the
condemned dead man that needed justification before God. He is in an active
enmity and rebellion again God in his native state of condemnation and death.
God justifies the condemned and dead by grace, based wholly and solely upon the
redemption accomplished by Jesus Christ. That is the BASIS or GROUND of
justification.
The
Holy Spirit regenerates the justified. Justification, the application of the
righteousness of Christ to an elect personally is the BASIS and GROUND of his regeneration
by the Spirit of God. Not one iota of man's effort or cooperation is involved
in his justification or regeneration! It is by grace ALONE. Do you not
understand, or are you just unbelieving?
That
blessed state of justification by God's free grace is EXPERIENCED (with regard
to self) by faith in Jesus Christ; that state of justification is EVIDENCED
(with regard to others) by BOTH works of righteousness and faith in Jesus
Christ!
And
oh, please don't quote Eph 2:8 and say, 'There I told you it is "through
faith," it is through man's act of believing. Therefore man's faith is
involved!'
You
are misguided and deceived if you read Eph 2:8 like that! You are ignorant of
the faith OF Christ!
Just
compare Eph 2:5 and 2:8:
Eph
2:5 "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with
Christ, (by grace ye are saved."
Eph
2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God."
It's
really very simple; by grace, we were saved when we were still dead in trespasses
and sins; therefore our faith plays NO role in your being saved by grace; we
were INCAPABLE of faith, being still in the native state of dead in trespasses
and sins. Isn't this so plain and simple? So, "through faith" in v8
cannot possibly refer to our act of believing. It is something FAR MORE
IMPORTANT, the heart of the gospel.
Here
read Rom 3 to find out whose faith (i.e faithfulness or fidelity) is spoken of!
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by
faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no
difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the
glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through
the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Please
note carefully the phrases "by faith of Jesus Christ" and
"through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." This passage
explains Eph 2:8 correctly.
The
righteousness of God's own provision needed for the justification of God's
elect is by the faith (i.e. faithfulness/fidelity) of Jesus Christ, even
through the redemption that is Christ Jesus! Please let this precious gem lodge
in the inner recesses of your tender heart, and glory in God alone!
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Charles
Page
Does
a dead man, unregenerate man, need forgiveness of sins? or does he need
quickening?
Chase
Harrison
Well,
being that he is dead in "trespasses and sins", I would say he needs
both! 🙂
Charles
Page
but
isn't the sin related to the original sin of Adam atoned at the cross and no
further forgiveness is needed. The only sins needing forgiveness are those post
regeneration, remission of sins
Sing
F Lau
Death
is brought about by sins!!! A man is dead because of sins. Sins have been
judicially forgiven when Christ died on the cross. But that legal forgiveness
must be applied to an elect personally! And the righteousness of Jesus Christ
similarly! Without the application of Christ to an elect personally, there is
no warrant for the Spirit of God to regenerate the dead.
Justification
of life to remove the condemnation of death must LOGICALLY precede the
regeneration unto life.
Rom
5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to
condemnation [of death]; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came
upon all men unto justification of life.
Chase
Harrison
I
don't believe Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for the "original
sin". He died on the cross to save His people from their sins (plural).
"And
she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall
save his people from their sins." - Mat 1:21
I
believe Jesus died for the individual and specific sins and trangressions of
His people, i.e. the sins they commit in their lives. I do not believe He died
for sin in general or the "original sin". Although, the original sin
is the root cause and origin of every sin committed. We are just Adam
multiplied.
I
believe that forgiveness (eternally-speaking) is vitally applied in the new
birth, based upon the righteousness of Christ and His blood that was shed on
the cross.
These
are my current thoughts.
Sing
F Lau
my
old computer is having more difficulty to work on FB... more and more functions
is not supported by the old Mac mini. Wait to strike a lottery to upgrade.
<LOL>
Keep
getting this reminder/warning!
"You
may want to upgrade your browser.
You're
using an old version of Firefox that is no longer supported and may be
insecure.To
upgrade, open Firefox's Help menu and click Check for Updates..."
Michael
Lim
pastor,
u can download the latest version of firefox by going to www.firefox.com and
click on download
Michael Lim
ohhh
i see...do pray for a new computer or mac mini, the mac mini are nice!
Mark
Thomas
Amen
Bro. Sing. That doctrine will stand the test of Scripture and logic. Amen!
Charles
Page
Chase
Harrison, we are probably misunderstanding semantics. We are dead in sins and
trespasses because of the one sin of Adam. His sin is imputed to all. Regeneration,
justification and glorification are ours on the basis of the death of the
second Adam and the original sin is completely negated by that one sacrifice
not for all but for the elect. The elect have ongoing access in sanctification,
healing and growth in faith all the product of the cross. They have continual
remission of sins upon repentance and confession.
The
Primitive Baptist have their common language, theology and my language is my
own and sometimes it is difficult to harmonize the two. I always want to work
toward harmony with the PBs. I struggle with the constant lack of harmony with
the SBs
Charles
Page
Chase
Harrison >Well, being that he is dead in "trespasses and sins", I
would say he needs both!< The Calvinist would say both concurrently but I
believe they have to be rightly divided, analysed separately. The first, sin of
Adam, is ministered to by eternal grace: calling, justification and
glorification and the second ministers to temporal salvation , remission of
actual sins/transgressions. The second is introduced by hearing, believing,
water baptism and forgiveness of sin.
The
concurrent view would interpret water baptism as symbolic because of past
remission of sin while the rightly divided view baptism as an essential
ordinance necessary for remission of sins. eternal salvation distinguished from
temporal salvation! Your thoughts are cherished, Chase.( Sing )
