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September
15, 2021
A
question:
Sing,
the more I read your explanation of conversion, the more sense I can see in
it. "God demands His children to believe the gospel of their salvation...
because that is the truth of what God HAS DONE for them." So true! But are
you saying that at no time ever, was the child of God in a depraved state?
An
answer:
Brother
Dell, it gives me comfort that someone UNDERSTANDS what I'm saying. Whether
anyone agrees or not, I couldn't care less.
You
asked a good question. I love questions. A biblical position can withstand the
most vigorous cross-examination, and will NEVER be shown or exposed to be
erroneous or contradictory.
An
unbiblical position will very soon be shown to be full of contradictions and
logical fallacies! And that's what the popular Calvinism IS - I have proven it
again and again, and again. Just peruse some articles in the blog!
When
asking questions, it is important to ask them PRECISELY, otherwise, you may not
get the right answer.
Are
these two questions the same?
You
asked: "But are you saying that at no time ever, was the child of God in a
depraved state?"
Do
you actually want to ask this: "But are you saying that at no time ever,
was an elect of God in a depraved state?"
A
biblical distinction is the essence of sound theology.
A
child of God is distinct and different from an elect of God; a child of God is
an elect of God whom He has effectually called out of his native state of sin
and death (state of total depravity) to that of grace and salvation in Jesus
Christ. So, a child of God is NO longer in a depraved state, NO never any more.
An
elect of God, by nature, was conceived in sin, born in sin, grow up in sin...
See
Eph 2:1-3... note 'EVEN AS OTHERS' at the end.
2:1
¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in
time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the
prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of
disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in
the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;
and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
So,
if your question is:
"But
are you saying that at no time ever, was an elect of God in a depraved
state?",
then
the answer is: an elect of God is in his native depraved state UNTIL he is
effectually called out of that native depraved state, by God's free and
sovereign grace, into the state of grace and salvation.
An
elect who is effectually called is a child of God.
A
child of God who is converted to Christ through the gospel ministry is a
believer, and when baptized, a disciple. Among God's children who are baptized,
there are good and bad disciples.
There
are God's children who are not brought to faith through the gospel ministry.
The
gospel ministry is INTENDED for God's children... such need to be brought to
know and believe the truth of THEIR salvation.
The
work of FEEDING has to do with the LIVING! It's that basic. The Apostles knew
what they need to do. Read John 21:15-17.
I hope this helps.
