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October
27, 2011
https://www.facebook.com/sing.f.lau/posts/2142619720535
Please
consider this question:
In
your understanding of the Scriptures, when does your time end, and eternity begin?
A.
At the point of my effectual call unto eternal life.
B.
At the point of my departure from this life.
C.
At the point of your glorification at Christ's second coming.
D. At other points in time... please state.
Please
support your answer with some Scriptures. Thank you.
[As is often the case, some will rant, and then later would delete their comments.]
Sing
Thanks.
Question:
"When does your time end, and eternity begin?"
At
conception, you entered time.
Jerry
Either
B or C...If the Lord comes first and I am alive, that would be when my time
ends...If the Lord tarries, and I depart this life, that is when time ends for me...
Sing
Would
you consider yourself to have entered eternity when your body lies in the grave?
Sing
Are
you partly in time, and partly in eternity?
When
do you enter into your eternal inheritance - at death or at the resurrection?
3 ¶
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his
abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of
Jesus Christ from the dead,
4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away,
reserved in heaven for you,
5
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be
revealed in the last time.
Sing
Repeat:
Question:
when does your time end, and eternity begin?
Sing
If
anyone thinks the question is faulty or invalid, please help to rephrase the
question.
Is
the popular notion that eternity begins at the point of death correct?
Isn't a
great change going to occur at the resurrection?
And isn't 'changelessness' an
essential attribute of 'eternity'?
Sing
Will
time itself end one day as in the entire time-space-matter collapse?
I believe
it does.
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My
question PRESUPPOSES that time will end one day - is it at your death or at the
general resurrection to glory?
Sing
Ok...
Now I understand your question. From the moment the Spirit or Holy Ghost
indwells us.
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So,
from the moment the Spirit or Holy Ghost indwelt you, your time ended??? Think
faster and type slower!
Good
night.
Sing
No
one has said the change meant corruption.
I
did say 'eternity' EXCLUDES change!
Can
you distinguish the two???????
Sing
Having
eternal life presently IS NOT THE same as having entered the state of eternity.
A
man whose relationship with God is restored has eternal life.
Sing
Repeat:
Question:
when does YOUR time end, and eternity begin?
The
Holy Ghost indwells you but you are still in time!
Your
indwelling by the ETERNAL Holy Ghost did not translate you into the state of
eternity! bye
bye!
PJ
Walters
I
must confess to not having read all the comments. Eternity "began"
for me when the Spirit brought eternal life in me. There is a part of me in
eternity and a part in time. When "my" time ends, there is a part of
me that has no end.
PJ
Walters
But
I do not know much... What are your thoughts?
Charles
Page
John
14:3 "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive
you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
All
the elect whether dead or alive are waiting for that moment when time will be
no more. The spirits of the dead await in sheol/hades and the bodies await in
the grave and that period is marked by time.
What
I don't understand fully is the fate of the non-elect during this time.
Sing
Charles
Page, Thank you for that simple answer to a simple question! You sure did cut
the story short!
But
why is it that so many imagine that eternity begins at the point of death?
Sing
Charles
Page, in your study, is there any difference between 'hades' and 'gehenna' in
the NT?
Charles
Page
Free-will evangelism/Christ rejecters go immediately to "hell" and Christ
accepters go immediately up to Saint Peter at the gate of heaven. Scares people
to 'death'.
Charles
Page
I
don't think that gehenna refers to the lake of fire but it refers to the
torment side of sheol/hades since sheol/hades include the temporary state of
'ALL' who die, righteous and unrighteous. It defines the worthlessness of the
regenerate unrighteous and the fire is not literal since the state of existence
is 'spirits' body-less beings. I personally think the torment of these spirits
is indescribable, beyond human comprehension.
JMPO
the lake of fire may be a release from this awful torment. Not so much
intensity but proximity. In this torment, men love God but in the lake of fire, men are God-haters! I would that this was preached with clarity!
In
fact, it is my hunch that this is what Sinners in the hands of an angry God are
about but modern Calvinists have so distorted the message as to destroy the
impact!
Sing
'Hades'
refers to the place, and 'gehenna' is a description of the nature of that place -
would that be right?
Funny,
no one is interested in this topic!
Charles
Page
good!
good!
Charles
Page
Satan
hates this truth - he is the father of the Hell lie!!!
Charles
Page
"hell"
has raised more money for the institutional church than any other motive and
done more damage to faith!
PJ
Walters
He
doesn't believe that we go to heaven when we die, but to "paradise."
He also believes that paradise and heaven are different.
Sing
John
3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but *he* that *came down* from
heaven, even the Son of man which *is in heaven*.
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The
Word was eternal... and at a point in time, that eternal Word was made flesh. He
that came down from heaven is the eternal Word. His is eternity entering
time... and that is ENTIRELY UNIQUE to Him alone! He entering time remains in
the state of eternity! There was no need for Him to enter eternity. He was, is,
and will always be in eternity.
How could you use that to answer the question: when does your time end, and eternity begin? I am puzzled!
Sing
No
one here speaks Greek as a native tongue and the word definition has already
been changed so many times...
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So,
we are really in a hopeless situation, then!
We
can't know a thing... because the word definition has been changed so many times!
Can
you tell us what should be the original unchanged word definition since you
know that has been changed so many times? That would help us in the discussion
and study.
Sing
Here
is a word definition of 'paradise'.
I
don't know if it helps.
3857
paradeisov paradeisos par-ad'-i-sos; of Oriental origin cf 06508 odrp; TDNT -
5:765,777; n m
KJV
- paradise 3; 3
1)
among the Persians a grand enclosure or preserve, hunting ground, park, shady
and well watered, in which wild animals, were kept for the hunt; it was
enclosed by walls and furnished with towers for the hunters
2)
a garden, pleasure ground, 2a) grove, park
3)
the part of Hades which was thought by the later Jews to be the abode of the
souls of the pious until the resurrection: but some understand this to be a
heavenly paradise
4)
the upper regions of the heavens. According to the early church Fathers, the
paradise in which our first parents dwelt before the fall still exists, neither
on the earth or in the heavens, but above and beyond the world
5)
heaven
Sing
Good
Scriptures. How does this Scripture help to answer the question? when does
your time end, and eternity begin?
Cheri
Thomas
my
thought is B. until that moment, I am constrained by time. after that moment, I
am with the LORD, and subject to time no more.
Cheri
Thomas
oh,
and to qualify... I am not 'eternal', if I am an elect child of God, I have
'everlasting' life. The word eternal indicates no beginning and no end; this is
Almighty God alone. I have a beginning, so I cannot be truly 'eternal'. At
least as far as my limited, time-constrained understanding can now conceive of
that term.
Sing
Finally, please remember, that our intermediate state, the time between our physical death and our resurrection to glory is still in the realm of time; we are still subject to a great change before being ushered into eternity.
