https://www.facebook.com/sing.f.lau/posts/2147975214419
October
29, 2011
I
seriously wonder how many anti-Calvinists can even state accurately what the
Calvinists believe on predestination.
Also,
how many Calvinists actually agree among themselves with their understanding of
predestination?
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Sing
I
saw that cartoon, and commented with these words:
"I
seriously wonder how many anti-Calvinists can even state accurately what the
Calvinists believe on predestination.
"Also,
how many Calvinists actually agree among themselves their understanding of
predestination?"
A
Calvinist rebutted:
"All
Calvinists who hold to the Westminster Confession of Faith or the 1689 Baptist
Confession of faith or the Canons of Dordt or the Belgic Confession or the
Heidelberg are all agreed on the basics of predestination. If you do not agree
with these multiple witnesses of the historic Church, then what you have gotten
hold of is not the Biblical doctrine of predestination but another creature
entirely.
I
responded:
I
am only making a factual observation. Why get so personal? I observe that
Calvinists differ greatly on the matter of double predestination. Is that one of
the basics of predestination? (something like that, but it was deleted! That the Calvinists are uniform in their belief is fiction!) )
Another
Calvinist added:
What
choice do we have? If God is omniscient then all things are foreordained and
therefore predestined. If God is not omniscient then He is not God...If God did
not "foreordain all things in one act" then we have a God who is
mutable and who is not omnipotent. Denial of the Reformed faith destroys the
attributes of God.
[sing: This Calvinist is ignorant that predestination has to do with people, not things or events!]
I
responded:
Barry,
think for a moment. Man, weak and feeble, necessarily think that it is
absolutely needful to predestine all things beforehand so that all things can
be under control, otherwise, there will be no control. And he foists that idea
unto God too!
God,
who is omniscient and omnipotent, does not need to predestine ANYTHING in order
to remain in full control over all things. He gives His moral creatures made in
His image full freedom and liberty... and he would still be in control of ALL
THINGS.
God
DID predestine PEOPLE... He predestinated some people unto glory, and ordained
their redemption through an appointed Redeemer. He BYPASSED the rest - preterition.
There
is no necessity for the omniscient and omnipotent God to predestinate anything
in order to remain in full and complete control of His creatures. His
omniscience and omnipotence guarantee His full and complete control over
everything. Just thinking
And
the first Calvinist responded thus:
'So,
you are saying that God is so sovereign that he does not need to be sovereign
and can deny an essential attribute of His Very Being?'
[sing: obtuse Calvinist indeed: God is so sovereign that He does not need to predestine anything and still remain sovereign!]
I
responded:
Hmmmmm,
how did you make a conclusion like that?
Perhaps
you may like to elaborate.
I
made a comment about how calvinists differ greatly on double predestination,
did you delete it? If it was a glitch, I will post it again.
He
responded:
Sing:
I am aware that you disagree with the 1689 and are also a dogged contender for
your opinions.
I
responded:
I
agree with the 1689CoF I just disagree with the new school baptists who pervert
its teaching. Since you are not interested in looking at predestination, I will
leave. Thanks.
Adam
Wells
Where
is your post on double predestination? I would like to read through it.
[Check here: https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2021/01/predestination-single-versus-double.html]
Sing
It
was a comment on double predestination. The first Calvinist insisted that ALL
Calvinists are agreed on the basics of predestination.
To
remind him that such is not true at all, I gave the illustration of the vast
difference among the Calvinists on double predestination. He deleted it!
There
are ALL SORTS of people who call themselves Calvinists... it is a very popular
label loved by many... there is that scholarly aura of intellectualism attached
to it. I know of Calvinists who are not much different from Arminians in their
theology - serious!
The
truth is however, there are so many inconsistencies and contradictions in their
belief system...
WCF
affirms double predestination, but the 1689 CoF repudiated it.
Check here:
Sing
So
many Calvinists believe that God did predestine ALL things... therefore even
this discussion on predestination!
That
implies that God predestinated some to be Arminians too. And I wonder why the
Calvinists tried so hard to go against God's predestination to convert those
Arminians!
Every
proposition has its necessary implications! Some lesser Calvinists are
obviously oblivious of that!
To
put the record straight, I am not a calf, nor an arm!
Sing
The
combination of two wrongs does not produce one right! <LOL> Good try,
though!
Charles
Page
There
can't be but one type of predestination it's definition stands alone.
The
year was 1957 I remember that storm just like it was yesterday Dad had just
bought a new 1956 Ford Fairlane for $1275!
We
got a good laugh out of that Baptist couple in the ditch. We didn't know what
Calvinism was then but we sure knew Baptist!
