Water Baptism of Sister Sophia

Brother Steve Chong and his wife Sister Sophia Kong, with Sarah in her arm, and Seth

"... in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit..."

Buried with Christ...

And risen with Christ!

On the Lord's Day of April 11th, Pastor Lau baptized Sister Sophia. The church gathered for morning worship service at 9.30am. This was followed by the fellowship lunch. After the lunch, we left for Brother Boey's apartment to administer the water baptism there. There is a lovely swimming pool. It was a glorious day for water baptism... complete blue sky and bright dazzling sun rejoicing with us for the occasion.

Brother Steve and his family began attending the church at the beginning of the year. They moved to Penang because there is a church that they can identify with. Bless the Lord! Along the way, they heard a sermon on water baptism as well as church membership in a series of sermons on the 'doctrine of the local church.' Their tender hearts were convicted to do what the Lord has shown to them. They spoke to the pastor about their desire to submit to the baptism and be united with the church.

So, we were gathered at the pool to baptize Sister Sophia on that Lord's day afternoon. We sang some hymns, Pastor Lau reminded the church gathered at the poolside the importance of water baptism. It was a blessed occasion to observe this command of our Lord.

The church gathered for the evening service at 8pm, followed by the Lord's Supper. Before the Lord's Supper was taken, Sister Sophia and Brother Steve were extended the right hand of fellowship and received into membership. The church read together the Members' Covenant, to remind ourselves of the privileges and the responsibilities of membership with the church.

The Lord's Supper was observed with special joy and thankfulness unto the Lord for adding two precious saints to the church. It was a blessed Lord's Day!

"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

A Messed Up Order of Salvation of the Calvinists

Is there an order here?

Danmac:
Westminster Shorter Catechism: Question 89. How is the word made effectual to salvation? Answer: The Spirit of God maketh the reading, but especially the preaching of the word, an effectual means of convincing and converting sinners, and of BUILDING THEM UP IN HOLINESS and comfort, through faith, unto salvation

Sing F Lau
Be careful to distinguish the salvation that is ETERNAL in nature, and the salvation that is TEMPORAL in nature.

The former is by FREE GRACE of God alone, worked out completely and fully by the Triune God himself. It is purposed, accomplished, and applied fully and completely to individual elect by God's free grace.

The latter is worked out by God's children in obedient response to the grace of God working in them. Temporal salvation, that which relates to the life here and now, is CONDITIONED upon the obedience of God's children to the working of God in them. ... See More

Without making this careful distinction, one will never rightly divide the word of truth concerning salvation.

One salvation, God alone HAS worked for us - by FREE GRACE.

Another salvation, we must work out for ourselves - by our obedient to Father's will for us.

Without this distinction, most people's "by grace alone" is just a meaningless religious slogan...

Joel
The Westminster divines could not have stated it any better. The conversion (regeneration) of sinners is first in priority and the building up in holiness (sanctification) only comes in second. In emphasizing holiness or sanctification, let us never forget that true holiness is the product of life in the Spirit.

Danmac
@Joel: Amen!

Sing F Lau
Joel@: regeneration and conversion are distinct and vastly difference. The former is bringing the dead to life. The latter is turning the living from error to the truth, from unrighteousness to godliness.

Regeneration is DEFINITIVE sanctification, once for all, complete, unrepeatable; turning from sin and death to grace and salvation - all by the FREE grace activity of God. FREE means free, man meeting no condition, nor contribute or aid in any sense.

Conversion is PROGRESSIVE sanctification. ongoing throughout the life of a child of God, turning from ignorance of the truth of salvation to truth through the ministry of reproof and correction, and training in righteousness - turning from ungodliness to holiness through the gospel ministry.

Amen and amen - "true holiness is the product of life in the Spirit."

Wayne
Amen brother Sing!

Joel
"First, then, let us meditate a while upon THE NECESSITY OF CONVERSION. If a man is to be saved, he must turn from his sins. "Right about face!" is the marching order for every sinner. There is no hope of forgiveness for him if he will continue with his face as it now is. He must turn from his sin if he would be saved."-C.H. Spurgeon

@Sing: Progressive Sanctification is not conversion. It is true that Definite sanctification takes place during Regeneration but they are not one and the same. Conversion is the direct effect of Regeneration. In the Ordo Salutis, Conversion logically takes place right after Regeneration but that is logical priority and should not be understood chronologically. Whenever there is regeneration then conversion takes place.

Joel
To those confused individuals who presume to teach others on Ordo Salutis, here is a helpful guide for you:
1) election
2) predestination
3) gospel call (general outward call)
4) inward call (effectual calling)
5) regeneration
6) conversion (faith & repentance)
7) justification & adoption
8) sanctification (progressive)
9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)

check the following link for more info:
http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Ordo-Salutis/

Tom
Meaningless Sing? Really?

Sing F Lau
All the Arminians ALSO shout 'salvation by grace ALONE' too, with great emphasis on 'alone'. More than meaningless, it is deceitful and irrational... since man's part play the definitive and crucial role. Many Calvinists' idea not much different... man's role is crucial too...

Sing F Lau
When thinking of the Order of Salvation, it is helpful to separate the various phases/facets in the order into their DISTINCT and LOGICAL phases/facets.

They are, in NUMBER (five of them) and ORDER, these:
- Redemption purposed...
- Redemption accomplished...
- Redemption applied...
- Redemption experienced/evidenced......
- Redemption consummated...

Distinction is the essence of sound theology.

Sing F Lau
In the redemption applied phase, we have:
- justification FREELY by the grace of God
- regeneration FREELY by the grace of God
- adoption FREELY by the grace of God
- gift of the Spirit of adoption FREELY by the grace of God.

[FREELY means without any condition on man's part. He could not meet any condition even if there were any!]

These free and gracious activities of God enable a child of God to respond to the gospel ministry, leading to the redemption EXPERIENCED phase:
- gospel call through the gospel ministry
- INITIAL conversion
- justification by faith (faith evidences the justified state of the believer. The just (justified ones) shall live by faith. IT IS NOT, by faith the condemned unjustified one shall be justified and live... that is how most people understand 'the just shall live by faith.
- Faith justifies a believer that He is a child of God, possession eternal life.
- ONGOING conversion throughout life...

Only in the redemption EXPERIENCED phases are human responses involved. In this phase, there is SYNERGISM.

Sing F Lau
Joel's so-called Order of Salvation:
1) election
2) predestination
3) gospel call (general outward call)
4) inward call (effectual calling)
5) regeneration
6) conversion (faith & repentance)
7) justification & adoption
8) sanctification (progressive)
9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)
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Look at this order for a moment.
This order is teaching that an unjustified man, therefore STILL under the just and righteous condemnation of death is able to respond to the gospel call, in order to get regenerated, able to repent and believe, and then get justified by his believing.

No problem, you can have this, and teach it too.

Sing F Lau
I suggest this order for those who are willing to learn something. It is not for those who have no more room to learn.

- Redemption purposed...
Under this phase you have foreknowledge, predestination, election, etc. All these happened before time.

- Redemption accomplished...
Under this phase, Christ LEGALLY redeemed His people... legal justification by the blood of Christ, righteousness imputed, legal reconciliation,legal adoption, etc. All these happened at the cross. EVEN so, the condemnation took place in the fall of Adam.
- Redemption applied...
Under this phase, what is legal is now made PERSONAL to the individual elect... righteousness APPLIED personally to an individual, justification by the grace of God, removal of condemnation is accompanied with regeneration unto eternal life, personal adoption into the family of God, etc.

- Redemption experienced/evidenced......
Under this phase, the redemption that has been applied is experienced personally. Through the gospel ministry, we are informed of our salvation by God's free grace, we believe and experienced the blessedness of our salvation, see Gen 15:1-6. By faith, Abraham experienced the blessedness of his salvation by God's grace!

Our walking in righteousness evidences or gives proof to others around us of our redemption by the free grace of God.

- Redemption consummated...

Sing F Lau
Joel said "@Sing: ... Progressive Sanctification is not conversion."

I wrote: Conversion is PROGRESSIVE sanctification. ongoing throughout the life of a child of God, turning from ignorance to truth through reproof and correction, and training in righteousness - turning from ungodliness to holiness through the gospel ministry.

CONVERSION (initial faith in Jesus Christ) is the first and initial part of PROGRESSIVE sanctification, and there is conversion from error and sins throughout our whole life, until you and I enter our coffins!

Of course 'progressive sanctification is not conversion,' (just like we say. 'Texas is not USA') because conversion is only the INITIAL part of the progressive sanctification.

Distinction is the essence of sound theology. Otherwise it is Muddled Theology... like saying an unjustified man, therefore still under the condemnation of death, is able to believe in order to be justified by God.

Sing F Lau
1689.13.1 on 'Of Sanctification' states:
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They who are united to Christ, effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart and a new spirit created in them through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection, ARE ALSO FARTHER SANCTIFIED, really and personally(1) through the same virtue, by His Word and Spirit dwelling in them;(2) the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed,(3) and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified,(4) and they more and more quickened and strengthened in all saving graces,(5) to the practice of all true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.(6)
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FARTHER SANCTIFICATION presupposes the DEFINITIVE sanctification, i.e. separated out of the condemned, dead and alienated state THROUGH justification, regeneration, and adoption - the once for all, complete and perfect and unrepeatable FREE GRACE acts of God in the effectual call - out of the state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation, by the FREE GRACE of God, i.e. man playing absolutely NO, ZERO, role.

'ALSO' means in addition to the definitive sanctification, there is this FARTHER sanctification through the gospel ministry... that brings about the initial conversion to Christ, and thereafter a whole life of conversion from falsehood and lies and sins to truth and righteousness and godliness.

Sing F Lau
Joel @ Progressive Sanctification is not conversion. It is true that Definite sanctification takes place during Regeneration but they are not one and the same. Conversion is the direct effect of Regeneration. In the Ordo Salutis, Conversion logically takes place right after Regeneration but that is logical priority and should not be understood chronologically. Whenever there is regeneration then conversion takes place.
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Few OBVIOUS errors here:
1. Progressive sanctification is conversion, since conversion is a lifelong process beginning with the initial conversion to Christ through the gospel ministry, and goes on till the last breath of a child of God. No conversion, not ongoing sanctification!

2. Definitive sanctification does not take place during regeneration.
Regeneration takes place at definitive sanctification. Regeneration is ONE PART of the definitive sanctification by God's free grace, God's act of calling an elect who is condemned dead and alienated to that of grace and salvation. Calling one that is condemned, dead and alienated to that of grace and salvation necessarily requires JUSTIFICATION, REGENERATION, and ADOPTION.

3. "Conversion logically takes place right after Regeneration". Wrong.
Conversion takes place after regeneration - that is the correct chronological order. BUT it is PLAIN WRONG to say that conversion takes place RIGHT AFTER regeneration. Look at Cornelius. His conversion took place after the gospel ministered by Peter. But Cornelius was obviously regenerated long before Peter came to the scene. His devout life of prayers and works of righteousness, and acceptance with God, are indisputable evidences that Cornelius was regenerated long before, not just right before his conversion!

4. "Whenever there is regeneration then conversion takes place." Plain wrong too.
Some regeneration is never accompanied by conversion through the gospel ministry. Some of God's children are incapable of being reached by the gospel ministry.

SO ALSO there are God's justified people who are incapable of being reached with the gospel, and therefore not justified by their faith. But every one is justified by the free grace of God in effectual calling. This alone ensures that the promised salvation is SURE to every elect.

THREE obvious errors in one short paragraph...
PHEW! And you are a Calvinistic teacher in Israel!
I tremble!

'Go and Preach' - but why? what is the work?

To feed the living chick or to bring the dead pup to life?
Your gospel ministry: is it appointed to nourish the living,
or bringing the dead to life?

aWells quoted:
"But we are so gentle and quiet, we do not use strong language about other people’s opinions; but let men go to hell out of charity to them. We are not at all fanatical... We would not wish to save any sinner who does not particularly wish to be saved. If persons choose to attend our ministry, we shall be pleased to say a word to them in a mild way, but we do not speak with tears streaming down our cheeks, groaning and agonising with God for them; neither would we thrust our opinions upon them, though we know they are being lost for want of the knowledge of Christ crucified." C.H Spurgeon

Sing F Lau
Man can do nothing to save a man from hell UNLESS God Himself has first saved him.

God ALONE saves ETERNALLY, i.e. He purposed, accomplished, and applied eternal redemption to each of His elect, all by His FREE and SOVEREIGN grace.

Only such can be saved through the gospel ministry faithfully administered by man. The gospel ministry brings TEMPORAL salvation, i.e. deliverance that pertains to the life here and now. TEMPORAL salvation is something God's children (i.e. those whom God has bestowed eternal salvation, freely by His grace) must work out for themselves with fear and trembling.

Our spiritual BEING is all by the FREE grace of God. While we were under condemnation, dead and alienated, God freely justified, regenerated, and adopted us, giving us the gift of His Spirit to dwell in our hearts. The gospel ministry is relevant to, and intended for, such ALONE ONLY, and no one else. Food is relevant to, and intended for, the living ONLY.

Our spiritual WELL BEING is conditioned upon our obedient response to the will of our Father.

If we fail to distinguish the UNconditional salvation by free grace, and the conditional salvation by our obedience, then we have fail to rightly divide the word of truth, and end up with much confusion... mixing grace and works... deny monergism, and embracing synergism.

aWells
Sing - I am not sure of your point. I have had this conversation with you before and no one will disagree that God saves and man is helpless to save himself. However, a man is deceived who thinks that God does not use means. Jesus did not tell his disciples to sit and home and that he would send the sheep to them. They were commanded to GO and PREACH!

Sing F Lau
Adam, you still DON'T get the VERY SIMPLE and BASIC point.

God DOES use means. So, yes, a man who thinks that I deny God uses means is very obtuse indeed!

There is a eternal salvation (pertaining to being a child of God) that God DOES NOT use means, and there is a temporal salvation (pertaining to the life here and now, the well being of God's children) that God had not only ordained means but also commanded that those means be used!

GO and PREACH: but why go and preach, and to whom? Go and preach because these are means that will bring the condemned dead alien to eternal life, or go and preach because there are those whom God has effectually called to grace and salvation out there? Go and preach to whom - to those still dead in sins and trespasses that they may be brought to life, or to those whom God, by Himself, has effectually called out of the state of sins and death to that of grace and salvation?

The early particular baptists - the predecessors of C H Spurgeon like Benjamin Keach and John Gill, and host of others - were all very clear on the distinction between the two distinct salvation spoken of in the Bible. Those who came later became confused, and eventually rejected it entirely, thus ending up with the necessary SYNERGISTIC understanding of salvation.

Food and drink are very good. Have you ever try to feed and nourish a dead man so that he become alive? Many preachers sincerely believe that's what they are doing through the means of their gospel ministry - that they have God's appointed means to bring DEAD CONDEMNED ALIEN sinners to eternal life!

The apostles most certainly didn't believe so!

I think it is a great delight to have the means to feed a thirsty and hungry man... BUT only a LIVING man, made alive by the FREE and sovereign grace of God, can be a hungry and thirsty man! I have never met a physically dead man who can be thirsty and hungry! Those dead in sins an trespasses are adversed to spiritual things.

Get the point?

The gospel is spiritual milk and meat for the nourishment of God's children. It is NOT the means to bring eternal life to dead sinners! God DOES NOT need those means to give eternal life to the dead and condemned sinners.

I thought this is so simple. Children in my church can understand this. Goes to show the truth of this statement: "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." - Leo Tolstoy –

aWells
I have asked you before, what about the heathen in the Amazon rainforest or elsewhere? Your response is that the heathen would be eternally saved regardless of whether they ever had the gospel witness. You said that the only effect that the Gospel would have on them is in a temporal salvation. Did you or did you not say that?

Sing F Lau
Adam, any of God's elect [SIC] among the heathen in the Amazon or NY City or KL, He himself, at His approved and appointed time, shall effectually call out of their state of sin and death, which they are in by nature, to that of grace and salvation - by justifying them regenerating them, adopting them, and giving them the gift of His Spirit to dwell in them. This is eternal salvation by God's FREE - FREE - FREE grace - without any human means or instrumentality.

Salvation by God's FREE grace is the ONE and ONLY way to ensure that "to the end the promise [of eternal salvation] might be sure to ALL the seed" (Rm 4:16).

If you put means and instrumentality into the equation for the eternal salvation of God's elect, you necessarily introduce a human element that undermines the CERTAINTY of eternal salvation, that would exclude many elect who did not have the means brought to them, and those elect incapable of being reached with the means.

It is a fact that the gospel ministry DID NOT reach many tribes and tongues and nations and people... YET as many of the ELECT people from among them are found in heaven.

Re 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Yes, I did say that, and I repeat it here so that there is absolutely no doubt. I did say that - you read me well. The gospel ministry is ordained and is instrumental for the instruction and edification of God's children for their TEMPORAL salvation here on earth, as they make their journey through this world to their eternal inheritance., bestowed upon them by God's FREE and sovereign grace.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Read the above passage CAREFULLY. What is the Scriptures, of which the gospel message is a part of, profitable for? Does it have anything to do with imparting eternal life to the condemned dead man? Or it is wholly for the sanctification of a child of God? Do you use the means to furnish a dead man for good works, or do you use it to furnish a child of God for good works, to live soberly, righteously and godly?

Is the means for making a child of God MORE FIT for heaven, i.e. more saved for heaven, OR is it for his instruction and training so that he may save himself from the perverse and wicked generation in which he lives?

Or is it for the INSTRUCTION in BOTH doctrine and righteousness (practical godliness), and for reproof and correction of the LIVING...

Keep speaking, and move on.

aWells
1After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, where he himself would come. 2 Therefore said he to them, The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few: pray you therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth laborers into his harvest. 3 Go your ways.behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither purse, nor money, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. 5 And into whatever house you enter, first say, Peace be to this house. 6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest on it: if not, it shall turn to you again. 7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. 8 And into whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: 9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say to them, The kingdom of God is come near to you. 10 But into whatever city you enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, 11 Even the very dust of your city, which sticks on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be you sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come near to you. 12 But I say to you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. Luke 10:1-12

Jesus said say "the kingdom of God is come near to you." That if they reject the messengers with this message, it would be more bearable for Sodom on that day. Does this not mean that they were preaching to those who reject?

Sing F Lau
What is the point of your last rhetorical question? Are you implying that I am saying that the gospel is to be preached to those only who will receive the gospel? And how is that ever to be possible UNLESS you have the omniscience to know exactly those who have been made spiritually alive from those who remain spiritually dead? Even then, if you can distinguish those spiritually alive from those still spiritually dead, it just proves that your preaching has nothing to do with their being spiritually alive!

The gospel is to be preached to all in the audience. But only those who ARE SAVED (have been justified, regenerated, adopted, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit) will ever hear and believe the good news... BECAUSE the good news is ALREADY true of them.

Hey, 'ching beng' is here. Ah Wong brought some wholesome nutritious food to the cemetery... and calls out loud the good news that Mr Wells has given him some wholesome nutritious food and sent him out to announce the good news. Unto whom do you intend to send those wholesome and nutritious food through Ah Wong - those who are still DEAD in the graves (like many superstitious and deceived ancestor worshipers are doing) or do you have in mind specifically those that have been made alive supernaturally by Mr Wells from among the dead, and are capable of benefiting and profiting from the good food?

Or did you actually send Ah Wong with the intention that Ah Wong uses those food as instrument to raise the dead from their grave?

Sing F Lau
Adam@ 2 Therefore said he to them, The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few: pray you therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth laborers into his harvest."

May I ask, and you please consider this simple question: what part did those laborers have to do in the production of the Lord's harvest? Isn't true that His harvest is ALREADY there... all ready to be gathered in, and the laborers are sent out to gather them into the NT church, into the safety of the barn here on earth. God's free grace alone has perfectly fitted them for heaven, and eternal glory.

Of course VERY MANY deluded preachers so sincerely believe that they are sent to gather souls into heaven!

Does this simple fact ever cross your mind?

The laborers are involved in the IN-GATHERING of the ALREADY EXISTING harvest. They play no part whatsoever in the PRODUCTION of the harvest.

This is so simple and obvious that I fear insulting a clever American! Insult is furthest from my mind. Enlightening and leading you to the simple truth is.

Children in my church do understand this pretty well. Many doctors of theology don't. Much easier to teach un-poisoned mind these self-evident truth.

Keep speaking!

Sing F Lau
Adam@ "6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest on it: if not, it shall turn to you again."

Who is there first - the son of peace, or your coming with the gospel? Did God produce the son of peace first before you came to the scene, and sent you to bring the glad tidings to such, or did your bringing of the glad tidings to the son of enmity became the instrument to turn that son of enmity into a son of peace?

Do you ever study and ask simple questions like these? Do people ever read and study the Bible, and let the Bible tell us what it says, or do we just make the Bible to say what we want ANY WAY?

Plurality in Unity - Trinity

Same essence, distinct entities.

Monergism:
"The heart of the Christian faith in God is the revealed mystery of the Trinity." - J.I. Packer

Marquette
Good evening all, my question in regards to the name trinity, where does it appear in Holy Writ? Yet I do see in Scripture that in Christ Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Marty
The word "Trinity" may not appear in Scripture, but the concept does, see for example: Matthew 28:19 & 2 Corinthians 13:14

Monergism
God eternally exists as three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and each person is fully God, and there is one God. You may find the following biblical study helpful: http://www.irr.org/trinity-outline.html

Sing F Lau
God existed eternally as God, Word and Spirit.

The Son is the eternal Word made flesh at a specific time in history.
Before the Eternal Word was made flesh, there is no Son. There is the second person of the triune God as the Eternal Word, John 1:1-2.

The Son refers to that divine-human being that began to exist at a specific point in time. The Eternal Word existed from eternity, and is wholly divine. But the Eternal Word is not the Son, the DUAL natured person who is wholly divine and wholly human, one Person with two natures.

The usage of the term 'Son' began at a specific point in time, i.e. when the Eternal Word was made flesh, and took upon Himself humanity for the purpose of redemption.

Marquette
Jesus Christ, is the perfect manifestation and representation of God, thus He is fully God in every way. How can it possibly be 3 persons or personalities? Christ posseses the fulness of the divine nature and attributes. His going forth has been from everlasting to everlasting beloved.

Sing F Lau
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he HIM; male and female created he THEM."

There is one man... but there are two distinct persons in the one man, with both the male person and the female person fully and completely human!

Man is HIM as well as THEM. What a living and vivid testimony of the mysterious truth of the PLURALITY in UNITY. This truth of the PLURALITY in UNITY is specifically stated as in the image of God! ... See More

He who rejects this simple truth in the Godhead is indeed without excuse!

God is ONE as well as THREE. Without the inerrant and infallible revelation, and the teaching of the Spirit, it would be impossible to believe this truth!

Rick
The common thread between every cult today is a denial of the Trinity.

Monergism
Marquette appears to take the poisition of the oneness pentecostals (like TD Jakes), which, like Modalism & Sabellianism, teaches that the three persons of the Trinity as different “modes... See More” of the Godhead. Adherants believe that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not distinct personalities, but different modes of God's self-revelation. A typical modalist approach is to regard God as the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Spirit in sanctification. In other words, God exists as Father, Son and Spirit in different eras, but never as triune. Stemming from Modalism, Patripassianism believed that the Father suffered as the Son. This position is not historic Christianity and was, due to the overwhelming bibkical evidence to the contrary, declared heresy by the early church and affirmed as heresy by the vast majority of the history of the church as being unbiblical.

Monergism
For some reason Oneness folks have difficulty distinguishing between "essence" and "persons". The idea that God is one in essence but three persons is illogical to them, so they reject the Trinity based on unaided human logic rather than the plain Scriptural witness.

Martin
The Lord Jesus Christ himself said.
John 15:26, “But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.” The 'He' is the Holy spirit, referred to as the 'comforter'. The 'Father' is God the father, and the 'Me' is Jesus Christ. 3 person's in that sentence clearly expressed.

Isaiah 48:16: “I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

Again the 'Lord God' refers to the father. 'His spirit' refers to the person of the Holy spirit and the 'hath sent me' is referencing the future Jesus Christ.

The speaker is God in Isaiah 48:16: talking of himself in 3 persons.

We meet here.

Dear Friends,

Sungai Dua Church meets at 6K Desa University Commercial Complex, Jalan Sungai Dua, 11700 Penang:

We meet each Wednesday 8.00pm for our weekly Bible Study.

We meet each Lord's Day services at 9.00am and 11.00am, with a break at 10.30-11.00am.

Baptist

We are Baptists, like John the Baptist, our Lord, His apostles, and many martyrs. We only baptize believers and only by immersion to show a picture of our Lord's burial and resurrection. We reject all infant sprinklings as abominations of the false church in Rome. (Matt 3:13-17; Mark 16:16; John 3:23; Romans 6:3-5; I Peter 3:21).

Predestinarian

We believe God chose to save some of rebellious mankind before the world began for the praise of His glorious grace and to leave the rest under condemnation for the praise of His wrath and power. Jesus died only for the elect, and the Spirit regenerates only them. The pure gospel is good news only for elect and regenerate hearers. (John 6:37-39; Rom 8:29-39; 9:10-24; Eph 1:3-12; II Tim 1:9-10).

KJV Bible

We are Bible Christians. Without Scripture, we cannot know Jesus Christ. God inspired and preserved His words perfectly. Each is vital to truth. Satan attacked God's words in Eden, and he attacks them today with many false versions and proud skeptical attitudes. (Psalm 12:6-7; 119:128; Pr 8:8-9; II Tim 3:16-17; II Pet 1:16-21).

Simple Services

We want our assemblies to copy the apostolic churches. We find no evidence for Sunday Schools, pianos, statues, flags, plays, or other inventions. We stress Bible reading and preaching, prayer, spiritual singing, thanksgiving, the Lord's Supper, and fellowship. (Acts 2:42-47; Eph 5:18-21; I Cor 11:1-2; II Tim 4:1-4; Heb 10:23-25).

Plain Preaching

We believe God sent ministers to preach the word to perfect His saints. Most Christians want entertainment today, but we exalt detailed teaching of God's word. We believe every word of God, and we want to hear it taught boldly on every subject it touches. (Neh 8:1-12; I Cor 2:1-5; I Timothy 4:13-15; II Tim 3:16-17; 4:1-4).

Holy Living

We believe God's true children will live holy lives. God is holy, and He wants us holy. True Christians do not befriend the world, will not conform their standards to the world, and will defy and overcome the world. We teach, expect, and enforce godly living. (Romans 12:1-2; II Cor 7:1; James 4:4; I Pet 2:11; I John 2:15-17)

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