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There was no Jesus until the Word of God was made flesh.
John 1 KJT
1 In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 14 And the Word was
made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the
only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Verse 1 DOES NOT
read:
"In the
beginning was the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was God," but
that's how many imagine that.
The Word is the
one-natured Divine Person;
The Son is the
dual-natured Divine-Human Person.
UNTIL the Word (the Second Person of the eternal Godhead) was made flesh, there was NO Jesus, the only begotten Son of the Father.
A biblical
distinction is the essence of sound theology.
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Brainy
Sing, you clearly
didn't read the entire thing.
The Word became
flesh indicates that the Word and the flesh are the same.
There is no
theological fallacy here.
sing
Brainy, if the Word
and the flesh are the same, then the incarnation, the Word was made flesh, is
redundant; it was a wasted and unnecessary event.
Brainy
Saying there was no
Jesus until the Word was made flesh is like saying there was no trinity until
Jesus was made.
His name will be Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. If you don't think Jesus was all of that before during and after his conception, you aren't worshiping the right Jesus.
When the Word became flesh, he didn't cease to be the Word. When Jesus walked on the Earth, the Word still existed.
The word flesh is sarx. It typically has a negative connotation. John specifically used this word to say Jesus became more than just a man that you and I can see and touch. He became the very carnal part of human that has a sin nature. Jesus, not being born of sin and living a perfect life would become Sin on the cross. It is a much deeper meaning than "he became a human."
The same way angels manifest themselves in human form, Jesus/God/The Holy Spirit can and did do all those things pre-incarnate Christ.
sing
Brainy @
"Saying there was no Jesus until the word was made flesh is like saying
there was no trinity until Jesus was made."
That's your illogical logic!
The Trinity, before
there was Jesus, is God, the Word, and the Spirit.
You still don't get
it. The Word is the one-natured eternal Divine Being.
The Man Jesus is the
eternal Word made flesh, both Divine and human, because the Divine took upon
Himself humanity so that He is fit to redeem those men given to Him by God.
Brainy
His name will be
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
If you don't think Jesus was all of that before, during and after his
conception, you aren't worshipping the right Jesus.
sing
Isaiah 9:6 KJT — For
unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be
upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The
mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
This is a prophecy of what shall be in the distant future. That child was born when "the Word was made flesh." John 1:14.
Luke 1 gives
details.
31 And, behold, thou
shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name
JESUS.
32 He shall be
great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give
unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall
reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no
end.
34 ¶Then said Mary
unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?35 ¶And the angel
answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power
of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which
shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Even at that point,
when the angel spoke to Mary, all was spoken of in the FUTURE tense concerning
the Son:
- Thou shalt
conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,
- Thou shalt call
his name JESUS.
- He shall be great,
- He shall be called
the Son of the Highest: and
- The Lord God shall
give unto him the throne of his father David:
- And he shall reign
over the house of Jacob for ever
- Of his kingdom
there shall be no end.
- How shall this be,
seeing I know not a man?
- The Holy Ghost
shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
- That holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The Word is eternal,
John 1:1.
The Son of God was
born of the virgin Mary. Lk 1:35
When the Word became flesh, he didn't cease to be the Word. When Jesus walked on the Earth, the Word still existed.
When the divine Word was made flesh, the eternal Word was permanently united to humanity, flesh and blood;
Hebrews 2:14 KJV — Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.
When the divine Word was made flesh, we have the only begotten Son of God, who REMAINS fully divine BUT ALSO fully human
When Jesus walked the earth, He was the Word made flesh, the dual-natured Divine-Human Being, the only begotten Son of God.
Brainy
The word flesh is
sarx. It typically has a negative connotation. John specifically used this word
to say Jesus became more than just a man that you and I can see and touch. He
became the very carnal part of human that has a sinful nature. Jesus, not being
born of sin and living a perfect life, would become Sin on the cross. It is a
much deeper meaning than "he became a human."
sing
When the Scriptures
declare, "And the Word was made flesh..." there is absolutely ZILCH
negative connotation with the word flesh.
It's making a marvellous statement of the Divine Word uniting with Himself humanity. When God had made Adam and the woman of flesh and blood, God declared that it was VERY GOOD.
Genesis 1:31 KJV — And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
The Word DIDN'T
become more than man; Jesus was fully and completely man as the result of the
eternal Word being made flesh.
No, no, no; Jesus DID NOT become the very carnal part of man, NOR did He have a sin nature. He was NOT of the race of Adam; it's impossible for Him to have a sin nature.
Luke 1
34 ¶Then said Mary
unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 ¶And the angel
answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power
of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which
shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
May our Lord grant
you understanding.
Amen
