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| The two popular ditches beside the narrow and old in the middle Path of truth. |
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The two popular ditches beside the narrow and old Path of truth.
Here is a classic example: Calvinism,
Arminianism, and the Truth.
https://letgodbetrue.com/sermons/index/year-2006/calvinism-arminianism-and-the-truth/
Do yourself a great favour - read and
meditate on the article, and save yourself from the filthy ditches!
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Cantoro Joe
Ai yo! All along, I thought you were for WCF!
I thought you were an original Calvinist!
Sing F Lau
You have very misinformed thoughts.
Cantoro, if you care to answer my question
directly in plain and simple manner - what's an original calvinist? Are you
one?
Cantoro Joe
Westminister Assembly?
Sing F Lau
Cantoro, I don't know whether it is a
peculiarity with Singaporeans.
They love saying West-minister instead of
West-minster. I have heard several Singaporeans saying "Westminister" instead of "Westminster!"
May be they love their Ministers (politicians) very much!
Now, please tell what the Westminster
Assembly teach about justification.
Let me warn you - no regurgitation of
reformed shibboleths.
Go to the WCF, and tell me from chapter 11,
what they teach about justification.
Show me that they teach justification by
faith (man;s act of believing).
And take your time.
Cantoro Joe
Arrgh!!! It's Westminster!!!
Isn't Westminster Reformed??
Cantoro Joe
"God did, from all eternity, decree to justify
all the elect;(1) and Christ did, in the fulness of time, die for their sins,
and rise again for their justification:(2) nevertheless, they are not justified,
until the Holy Spirit doth, in due time, actually apply Christ unto them. (3)
Sing F Lau
Quoting the Westminster Divines DOES NOT show
that you understand them. So, tell us what you have quoted. Did they teach that your
justification is by your faith, or is that just your own imagination? And please
take your time to answer my simple question. No regurgitation of shibboleths, please.
Cantoro Joe
Justification follows the Holy Spirit
changing man's will to receive truth.
On Saving Faith
"By this faith, a Christian believeth to be
true whatsoever is revealed in the Word, for the authority of God Himself
speaking therein;(1) and acteth differently upon that which each particular
passage thereof containeth; yielding obedience to the commands,(2) trembling at
the threatenings,(3) and embracing the promises of God for this life and that which
is to come.(4) But the principal acts of saving faith are accepting, receiving,
and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal
life, by virtue of the covenant of grace. (5)"
Having the gift of saving faith means the
sinner is able to fear God and desire to obey all His teachings. That's where
the sinner is justified.
Sing F Lau
Cantoro, EXPLAIN what you have quoted, WCF
11.4. Don't run away from that yet! If you are not prepared to explain what you
have quoted, then don't quote them. You understand?
Cantoro Joe
Only when God effectually calls a person,
meaning the person receives the inward call, then the person has saving faith
is justified
Sing F Lau
Is that your explanation for WCF 11.4 that
you have quoted?
Here it is, if you have forgotten. Let's just
stay here for a while. Don't wander away.
"God did, from all eternity, decree to justify all the elect;(1) and Christ did, in the fulness of time, die for their sins, and rise again for their justification: (2) nevertheless, they are not justified, until the Holy Spirit doth, in due time, actually apply Christ unto them.(3) (WCF 11:4)
Sing F Lau
WHERE does WCF 11.4 speak of effectual call,
saving faith and all the stuff you read into it? EISEGESIS is reading into the
text. I ask for EXEGESIS - reading out of the text.
Tell me what WCF 11.4 declare. Is that a simple task?
Sing F Lau
Good night.
Sing F Lau
Take a look here:
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-doctrine-of-justification-as.html
Cantoro Joe, are you already tired of the
all-important subject about justification after ranting your reformed shibboleths?
Didn't someone say that the standing or the falling
of a church hinges upon this doctrine???
Para 4.
God did from all eternity decree to justify
all the elect, (11) and Christ did in the fullness of time die for their sins,
and rise again for their justification;(12) nevertheless, they are not justified
personally, until the Holy Spirit doth in time due actually apply Christ unto
them.(13) 11. Gal 3:8; 1Pe 1:2; 1Ti 2:6. 12. Ro 4:25. 13. Col 1:21-22; Tit
3:4-7.
This paragraph PLAINLY declares the
MULTIFACETED nature of the doctrine of justification.
a. Justification decreed in the
purpose of God
- by God for all the elect
- from all eternity
b. Justification secured/accomplished
legally: (stated plainly in para. 3)
- by Christ for all the elect
- at the cross
c. Justification applied personally (stated
in para. 1)
- by the Holy Spirit to each individual
elect.
- at effectual calling to grace and
salvation.
d. Justification experienced /evidenced
subjectively (stated para. 2)
- by the faith of the individual elect.
- at initial conversion and throughout life.
e. Justification vindicated finally
- by God before the judgment throne
- on the great judgment day
Conclusion: Justification decreed,
accomplished, applied, experienced, and finally vindicated.
Your LEGAL justification by Christ's blood/righteousness/faithfulness took place AT the cross, just as your LEGAL
condemnation took place at the fall in the garden of Eden.
Your VITAL justification by God's grace took
place AT your effectual calling to grace and salvation (while you were DEAD in
trespasses and sins), just as your vital/personal condemnation took effect at
your conception by your earthly father.
Your EVIDENTIAL/EXPERIENTIAL justification
took place at your conversion through faith IN Jesus Christ, just as your
experiential condemnation takes place through your acts of sin.
Cantoro, may our Lord open your eyes to see
the truth of justification more COMPLETELY, and move from the popular Protestant's lie of faith only!
A biblical distinction is the essence of sound theology.
Reformed/Protestant shibboleths confuse, mislead, and
deceive.
