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| At some point on late Sunday morning, it was said, ".... beside all this, to day is the third day SINCE these things were done." |
April 7, 2012
'Good Friday? What a
delusion!'
Even those two
villagers knew better!
Luke 24
13 ¶ And, behold,
two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus... 21... beside all
this, to day is the third day since these things were done.'
They said these words on Sunday
morning, '... and besides all this, to day is the THIRD DAY since these things were
done!'
Those two villagers
on foot could count better than most 21st-century iPhone-toting zombies!
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Sing F Lau
Matthew, draw up
some table and chart to show us the 3 days and nights. Thanks!
[Matthew Ong has deleted all his comments]
Sing F Lau
Mark 16:9 Now when
Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary
Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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When did Jesus rise
from the dead?
(i) at the end of the
last day of the week and the beginning of the first evening of the week .. i.e.
around Saturday 6pm? [those who said Jesus was crucified on Wednesday afternoon] or,
(ii) at the end of the
first evening of the week and the beginning of the first day of the week...
i.e. around Sunday 6am?
Sing F Lau
This is a simple
common sense table:
Ge 1:5 And God
called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the
morning were the first day.
This is the Jewish way of reckoning a 24-hr day: 12-hr evening (night) and 12-hr morning (day).
Wed 6pm - Thu 6pm : Passover
- Christ was hurriedly buried before the beginning of the annual high sabbath
Thu 6pm- Fri 6pm :
annual high sabbath
Fri 6pm - Sat 6pm :
weekly sabbath
Sat 6pm - Sun 6pm:
first evening and day of week.
At some point on late Sunday morning, it was said, ".... beside all this, to day is the third
day since these things were done."
Those things (the trial,
condemnation, crucifixion and burial) happened within the day of Thursday
(6am-6pm)
Sing F Lau
Those who insist on
the exact 72 hrs of 3 12hrs nights and 3 12hrs days MUST have this arrangement:
Their 72 hrs 3
NIGHTS and 3 DAYS sequence is like this:
Christ was buried
shortly before Wed 6pm:
Tues 6pm - Wed 6am
--- eating Passover meal... arrest
Wed 6am - Wed 6pm
day --- kangaroo trial, crucifixion, and burial before 6pm...
(Why were they
rushing to have Christ buried?)
Wed 6pm - Thu 6am
night --- 1st evening/night
Thu 6am - Thu 6pm
day ---- 1st morning/day
Thu 6pm - Fri 6am
night ---- annual sabbath evening/night
Fri 6am - Fri 6pm
day ---- annual sabbath morning/day
Fri 6pm - Fri 6am
night ---- weekly sabbath evening/night
Sat 6am - Sat 6pm
day. ---- weekly sabbath morning/day
That means Christ
rose shortly after Sat 6pm. This is "3 nights and three days."
Therefore they
believe that Christ was risen early the first evening of the week!
BUT Scriptures say
this:
Mark 16:9 Now when
Jesus was risen early the first day of the week.
It doesn't say the
first EVENING of the week.
Early the first
evening of the week is shortly after Sat 6pm.
Early the first day
of the week is shortly after Sunday 6am.
The day before the
annual sabbath day was the Passover.
The day after the
Passover is the annual high sabbath.
The day after the
annual high sabbath is the weekly sabbath!
But the 72hrs of 3 12-hr
days and 3 12-hr nights scheme has inserted an extra day between the Passover
and the Annual High Sabbath - as indicated above. That's what happen when men
'out-literal' the Scriptures!
Inserting one extra day is no worse than inserting thousand of years between the 69th week and the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy!
Sing F Lau
It is possible that I
misread it.
Mark 16:9 Now when
Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary
Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Christ rose early
the first day of the week... Mary Magdalene was early at the tomb the first day
of the week... the risen Lord appeared to her. The passage doesn't give the
impression that there was a 12hr interval between His rising and His appearance
to Mary. If there is, I am not seeing it yet.
Even if Christ rose
shortly after Sat 6pm... there is still insurmountable issue.
From the passage,
there are only two choices:
- shortly after Sat
6pm
- shortly after Sun
6am.
I choose the latter
for the reason I have stated above.
Ge 1:5 And God
called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the
morning were the first day.
Light/day/morning...
Darkness/night/evening...
So, I am consistent
- according to God's own definition.
Sing F Lau
That's true. Now,
you and I have to choose between shortly after Sat 6pm or shortly after Sun
6am. There's a 12hrs night difference between them. We just have to take our
choices and be consistent.
There are words that
provide the immediate context... "Now when Jesus was risen early the first
day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene..."
I am just working
out these things in my mind. Any disagreement helps me to think through the
various matters related to the subject.
The central issue is
still: Christ ROSE! He is risen!
Sing F Lau
Let assume Christ
rose shortly after Sat 6pm... work backward 3 days and 3 nights. What do you
have? When was he buried? Wednesday before 6pm. Look at the simple table I gave...
Tue 6pm - Wed 6am
---- Passover evening... arrest
Wed 6am - Wed 6pm
---- Passover morning... trial, crucified, buried...
Wed 6pm - Thu 6am
night --- 1st evening/night
Thu 6am - Thu 6pm
day ---- 1st morning/day
Thu 6pm - Fri 6am
night ---- annual sabbath evening/night
Fri 6am - Fri 6pm
day ---- annual sabbath morning/day
Fri 6pm - Fri 6am
night ---- weekly sabbath evening/night
Sat 6am - Sat 6pm
day. ---- weekly sabbath morning/day
Where is the
consistency???
A Sat 6pm theory
requires a Wed 6pm burial... which means PUTTING AN EXTRA DAY between Passover
and the high sabbath. You probably missed this matter!
The day after the
Passover is the annual high sabbath!
And the annual high
sabbath is followed by the weekly sabbath.
Sing F Lau
Jim Cutler, do you
see the monumental difficulty with the "shortly after Sat 6pm" timing
yet?
[Jim Cutler of Greenville Church has also deleted his comments]
When did the women
buy those sweet spices? Good question!
The words "HAD
BOUGHT" - the past perfect tense indicates that it was prior to another
past action in the sentence, which is "the sabbath was past".
They probably bought the sweet spices shortly before the beginning of the annual sabbath, before Thursday 6pm. In any case whatever the timing of this buying of sweet spices has no relevance to the issue at hand.
Sing F Lau
Matthew Ong, thanks
for your suggestion.
How don't you use
those passages and construct a table for us...
Show us that you are
thinking!
Sing F Lau
Easter is a BIG
joke. Every day, different date, meaning to say Jesus dies on different
date....?
Sing F Lau
That's a good
question. The answer is here:
Mr 15:42 "And
now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day
before the sabbath..."
THREE DISTINCT and
SEPARATE days are mentioned in this verse.
When the evening 6pm
was come, the passover day is over, and the Preparation day (high sabbath)
began. And this preparation day was the day before the weekly sabbath day.
So we have the
sequence of THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS – the Passover Day, the Preparation Day (the
annual sabbath), and the weekly sabbath day.
These four days are
in consecutive order:
Passover: Wed 6pm to
Thu 6pm
Annual high sabbath
: Thu 6pm to Fri 6pm
Weekly sabbath: Fri
6pm to Sat 6pm
First 24-hr day of week:
Sat 6pm to Sun 6pm
[first 12-hr night of the week: Sat 6pm - Sun 6am.
[fist 12-hr day of the week: Sun 6am - Sun 6pm]
As you are aware,
you present position requires the INSERTION of an extra day between the high
sabbath and the regular weekly sabbath - to have the 3 12-hr nights and 3 12-hr
days between Wed 6pm and Sat 6pm.
But Mark 15:42 read, "Mr 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath..."
Sing F Lau
Supposing I can
prove to you that preparation day and the high sabbath are the speaking of the
same day, then what? Would that help?
Sing F Lau
On what basis do you
say that I doubt the plain language Jesus used in "three days and three
nights" and use more obscure verses to overthrow them?
And on what basis
make you think that "three days and three nights" must be equivalent
to exactly 72 hrs? Do you always mean that in your speech in daily life?
If it were only 60
plus a few hrs, then would it be wrong to describe the period as "three days and three nights" ?
What obscure verses
did I use? If they are obscure, then it would be easy for you to discredit it.
Sing F Lau
@ "three days
and three nights"
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This is taken by
some as an exact equivalent of 72 hrs of 3 12-hrs nights and 3 12-hr days.
I don't see such is
ever meant in common day speech.
The phrase can be
easily mean 2plus 12-hr day and 3 12-hr night.
The former would
require the "three days and three nights" to run from Wed 6pm and Sat
6pm.
The latter would be
few hrs before Thu 6pm to shortly after Sun 6am.
I would take the latter any time. Its difficulty is comparatively minor.
Sing F Lau
Please put away your
best arrows. Arrows terrify me. Use water pistol!
Sing F Lau
Q1. Yes, according
to common usage of the words. We must not impose a wooden literal sense upon
those words that is HARDLY true in common usage.
And especially if
doing so gets one into the trouble of having to introduce ANOTHER day into the
time fram… See more
Sing F Lau
Q2. Does this
passage help?
John 19:31 The Jews
therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain
upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken
away.
The day of Passover
in which the Lord Jesus died preceded the preparation day that followed.
And that preparation
day was a sabbath, a high day.
Apostle John said that. I would be glad to be shown that I read him wrong. Kind teachers have helped me learn a whole lots of truth.
Sing F Lau
Q3: Your best
evidence against my day between the sabbaths appears to be the Emmaus Road
travelers saying it is the third day since "these things"occurred.
Are there any other witnesses against this day?
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That's not the best
evidence. It is one of the several evidence.
Read the multitude
of passages that make the 'third day' declaration!
Common sense usage
tells us that anything after two full days is considered the third day!
For example:
d (part of day) nnnnnn (full night) dddddd (full day) nnnnnn (full night) dddddd (full day) nnnnnn (full night) d (part of day).
between Thu before 6pm and Sun after 6am is THREE DAY
Late Sunday morning
looking back to Thursday is THIRD day since those things occurred.
You put in ANOTHER 24-hr day between high sabbath and weekly sabbath, it is no more the THIRD day,
it MUST be the FOURTH day! We need to make a whole lot of correction to the KJT to accommodate that extra day!
Good night.
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https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2010/06/three-days-and-three-nights.html
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2024/04/three-days-and-three-nights-72-hrs.html
