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Verily I say unto
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Things which Must
Shortly Come to Pass
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Inquirer: "Si fu, how would you interpret this verse on Armageddon?"
Revelation 16:16 Then they gathered
the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
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sing
Here is the text
from the KJT:
Revelation 16:16
"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue
Armageddon."
QUESTION:
Who gathered whom together to what place, and for what purposes?
Much of the book of
Revelation is couched in apocalyptic signs and visions and is not easy to
understand.
But what we are certain of is that the Lord Jesus Christ instructed Apostle John to write those things
"which must shortly come to pass."
Revelation 1:1 KJT —
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his
servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it
by his angel unto his servant John.
It was urgent that
the writing be done immediately to warn the seven (represents the complete
number) churches about the things which must shortly come to pass.
Revelation 1:11 KJT — Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest,
write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto
Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto
Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
It is of utmost
importance to note this historical background.
The graphic visions
of tribulations described in most of the book of Revelation relate to the
tribulations prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Matthew 24:21 KJT — For
then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the
world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:29 KJT —
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
In both of these passages, the Lord Jesus was speaking of the judgment upon Israel in 70 AD.
In light of these,
Rev 16:16 is a description of the gathering of Roman armies to converge upon
Jerusalem prior to its final destruction in 70 AD.
Strong's
Greek-Hebrew concordance gives the word Armageddon as a compound of two Hebrew
words: (1) har; a mountain or range of hills. (2) meged, means to be eminent; a
distinguished thing.
It is a reference to
the eminent city of Jerusalem that sat on a mountain range.
[In Rev. 16:16...
Hence in Revelation, a place of great slaughter, the scene of a terrible
retribution upon the wicked.] - BlueLetterBible
The Book of
Revelation was written some years before 70AD, and Apostle John was commanded
to write those things which must shortly come to pass for the warning of those
churches then; it is not of something in the distant future!!! No, there is nothing about the modern secular
Israel.
I'm a servant of
Christ, si fu of none. 😀
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Inquirer:
Sigh, no double
prophecy?
sing:
Dual fulfilment
prophecy?
Take a look at a
typical article here: read it; it's a few minutes read only.
https://www.gotquestions.org/prophecy-double-dual-fulfillment.html
The first example
the author gives has a reference to Rev 16:16.
It wasn't a dual
fulfilment prophecy at all.
What happened on the
day of Pentecost and what happened in 70 AD, as prophesied by Joel, are
completely distinct. The dreadful day of the LORD is the LORD's vengeance on
Israel in 70 AD - prophesied often by the minor prophets, like Joel, Amos,
Malachi, etc.
Joel 1:15 "Alas
for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the
Almighty shall it come."
Amos 5:18 "Woe
unto you that desire the day of the LORD! To what end is it for you? The day of
the LORD is darkness, and not light."
Malachi 4:5
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great
and dreadful day of the LORD."
Too many theologians
CARELESSLY misread the prophecy concerning the END of the Jewish theocratic
world as a prophecy concerning the end of this physical world and invented the
fiction of double fulfilment prophecy. This is a classic example. They can't
distinguish between the end of the ancient Jewish world in 70AD and
the end of this present world.
There is a similar
issue with the other examples he gave. Only the example of virgin birth sounds
plausible... but you have to believe that there is another real virgin birth
apart from the virgin birth of Jesus!
Inquirer:
How about Gog and
Magog in Rev 20: 8-9? Do u think they have any connections to the Israel of
today with the Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran?
sing:
Just read Rev 20 and
let it say what it says. Do you see any such connections? Do you see dogs and
maggots there?
Rev 20 gives a
bird's eye view of the whole gospel age, with the binding of Satan at its
beginning (v1) and for a thousand years - symbolic of the long but definite
period of the whole gospel age marked by the two comings of Christ.
When the 1000 years
have expired, Satan shall be loosed for a little time to wreak havoc upon the
saints (NOT Israel!!!), then Christ shall appear... and it's game over for
Satan.
Read the whole
chapter slowly.
Why do you need to find some connections to modern secular Israel, with Ham-ass, Hez-dollar and I-run? I fear you approach the Bible with preconceived ideas and then try to make the Scriptures fit those ideas. That eisegesis; we want exegesis. The former is READING INTO the text; the latter is DRAWING OUT of the text. Look for what's there; not for what's imagined is there. It is so easy to do the latter.
p/s Just my
understanding at this stage.
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comments
Bradley Hilton
Nothing to do with
ad 70.
Reggie Lee
Bradley Hilton what
has nothing to do with 70 AD?
Reggie Lee
Beautiful!
Reggie Lee
https://www.sermonaudio.com/saplayer/playpopup.asp?SID=9130414633
Postmillennialism
and Revelation 20
Bradley Hilton
Rev 16 has nothing
to do with ad 70.
Sing F Lau
Bradley Hilton,
Some have to say
something;
Others have
something to say.
Be the latter,
scholar sir.
Revelation 16:16
"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue
Armageddon."
QUESTION:
Who gathered whom together to what place, and for what purposes?
Surely Rev 16:16 has
to do with SOMETHING.
Thanks, Sir.
Bradley Hilton
Sing, I already
said something Revelation 16 has nothing to do with ad 70. Again that's a
Preterist error. You will be saying Nero is the beast next.
Bradley Hilton
Post mill has to be
challenged too. No where does Christ promise a Sabbath before the Second coming
Saints are promised a cross and Tribulation.
Paul Migdal
I believe that the
book of Revelation tells the story of the church of God from the time of
Christ’s ascension to the end of time. And papal Rome covers most of the book.
Rev 12, 13, 17, 19 are all about Rome. The pagan Roman Empire turns into papal
Rome and persecutes the saints
Robert Cook Sr.
The dating of John's
writing gives me pause to adopt fully before 70ad but much seems to fit. I am undecided on Revelation as if yet but believe much if Matthew 23, 24 and parts of 25 are
30-70AD.
Edna Allen
Strickland
Thank you for this
message!
Allan Turda
Well explained, brother. Thanks.
