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| Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding! Righteousness Imputed Legally, Applied Personally, and Experienced In the fall, Adam's sin and condemnation were imputed to all represented by him. At the cross, Christ's righteousness was imputed to all represented by Him, and all the sins of His people were imputed to Him; Christ bore all their sins and suffered the full penalty for them, to secure their eternal redemption. The righteousness which was imputed legally to all the elect is applied to each elect personally at the time of their effectual calling out of their native state to grace and salvation in Jesus Christ. |
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A Calvinist teacher
insisted:
"At the cross, God
made atonement for our sins... it has nothing to do with our imputed righteousness..!'
A student of the
Bible inquired:
So, teacher, God DID
make atonement for your sins at the cross! Good.
And your sins were
ATONED for without Christ's righteousness IMPUTED to you??? Is that what you
believe? Is there such a thing as an atonement without righteousness? Is that
Calvinistic also?
But at the cross,
you did not yet exist! So what sins are you talking about? Do you have sins to
be atoned for when Christ died on the cross?
Think, teacher!!!
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Robert Basham
My reply....That is
hyper-Calvinism....My sins were laid on Christ the moment I trusted Him as my
Lord and Saviour (in time)....Romans 5:1..
Sing F Lau
What is
hyper-calvinism? You want to label many 'reformed' men you adore as
hyper-calvinists also? <LOL>
You asserted, "My sins were laid
on Christ the moment I trusted Him as my Lord and Saviour (in time)....Romans
5:1."
Supposing your
notion is true, that your sins were laid on Christ the moment you trusted Him
as your Lord and Saviour, AREN'T your sins laid on Christ TWO THOUSANDS years
TOO LATE?
All sins not laid on
Christ when He suffered on the cross are not suffered for by Him. Is that
simple enough? You think Christ would have to die and suffer another time just
for your sins?
You don't believe in
the imputation of all the sins of all the elect on Christ when He died and
suffered on the cross, do you? And yes, you are a Calvinist!
Robert Basham
Yes, but we do not
know who are the elect....we are to witness the truth of Gospel Substitution to
all men everywhere...and in all nations of the world..!
Sing F Lau
God knows everyone of His elect. He imputed Adam's
sin to you when you (and all others) did not yet have personal existence... but
you did exist in God's mind, and your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
EVEN SO, God imputed
Christ's righteousness to you when He died and suffered on the cross for all
His elect when you did not have personal existence.
What is so difficult about this?
Sing F Lau
You have just
changed the subject. Don't do that yet. Let's stick to the subject, and examine
the soundness of your CALVINISTIC notion.
We are talking about
imputation of sins and righteousness, and when did the imputations occur.
Stay focus... don't be wandering stars!
Sing F Lau
And please remember
that legal imputation and personal application of righteousness are separate
and distinct matters.
A biblical distinction is the essence of sound theology!
Robert Basham
I think we have been
through this before. God's decree to justify the elect and His act of
justification (in time when we believe) are not the same. We do not see things
from God's point of view all the time...I will not argue with you...you much
better Bible student than me....🙂
Sing F Lau
This is not arguing.
I just wish to point out to you the inconsistencies of your CALVINISTIC
notions. If you don't admit them, it is because you are a good Calvinist!
<LOL>
Dallas Eaton II
There is no
atonement without blood...Christ did say, If I had not come and spoken to
them...but now they have no cloke for their sins...here is the timely
application of the eternal covenant of Grace...found to be bound in the
Father's love dependent upon Christ's taking upon himself the likeness of
sinful flesh and for sin condemning sin in the flesh. Prior even to that the
surety of HIS faithfulness brings the imputation of His righteousness to all
the elect for the praise of the glory of His grace.
Ashley Juliot
Robert Basham said,
"My sins were laid on Christ the moment I trusted Him as my Lord and
Saviour (in time)....Romans 5:1.."
Christ bore our sins
in His own body on the tree, He was cursed for our sins, He put away sin by the
sacrifice of Himself, He purged our sins when He sat down on the right hand of
the majesty on high; and all this not because we trusted in Him, but entirely
and only because of His free grace for wretched sinners.
Robert Basham
Read Pilgrims
Progress. Experimentally, from our point of view, the burden of our sin is
removed when by faith alone we trust in the imputed righteousness of Christ
alone for our eternal salvation. This takes place in time when we hear the
gospel...Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall
they hear without a preacher?....Jesus said..My sheep hear My voice, and they
follow Me...(this takes place in time when we are saved).
Ashley Juliot
Let us make a distinction
between the burden of sin being lifted from our conscience when we believe and
our sins being laid on Christ when He died. The burden of sin is lifted from
our conscious when the Spirit opens our eyes to that glad tidings that Christ
already bore our sins in His own body on the tree when He was made a curse for
us.
The moment I trusted
Christ, I believed that my sins were laid on Christ when He died. For the
scriptures reveal to us, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have
turned every one to his own way; and the LORD HATH laid on him the iniquity of
us all." (Isaiah 53:6)
Your statement,
"...My sins were laid on Christ the moment I trusted Him..." is
contrary to the free grace redemption in Christ Jesus.
Sing F Lau
Abraham, you stated
it so well.
You appeal to
Scriptures, Robert appeal to Bunyan!
How telling and
revealing!
Robert decided to
see as though he is an one-eyed jack... refusing to see with both his eyes what
is LEGAL on the one hand, and what is EXPERIENTIAL on the other!
That's the sad part!
I read these words
to remind myself this morning:
8 I will instruct
thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine
eye.
9 Be ye not as the
horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in
with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Be ye not as the
mule!
Please thank you for
instructing and teaching me. Lord, help me not to be a mule. Instruct and teach me in the way I ought to go.
