Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Thursday, October 9, 2025

Old School and New School are worlds apart on Justification by Faith

A popular fable of justification by faith alone.

I shared the post below on a "reformed" page; one Jessy responded.
#justificationbyfaith

On Faith and Justification
Dr John Gill: 1697-1771, was an early particular-baptist theologian, universally esteemed by his Calvinistic contemporaries of various denominations, and ALSO by Dr Robert L Reymond (1932-2013, was a renowned reformed theologian) too.

Dr Reymond said of John Gill:
"Gill (1697-1771), a Baptist puritan pastor, writes a thorough defence of Calvinistic theology."
- the above is listed under "Selected General Theological Bibliography" on page 1137 of Dr. Robert L Reymond's "A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith" Nelson, 1998.

Dr John Gill on faith and justification:
"Faith is not the cause, but an effect of justification; it is not the cause of it in any sense; it is not the moving cause, that is the free grace of God... nor even the instrumental cause... it is not in any class of causes whatever; but it is the effect of justification... Now if faith is not the cause, but the effect of justification; then as every cause is before its effect, and every effect follows its cause, justification must be before faith, and faith must follow justification."
- A Body of Doctrinal Divinity Book II, Chapter V, section II. (1769)

Dr Robert L Reymond on faith and justification:
"The New Testament everywhere makes it plain that faith in Jesus Christ is the instrumental 'precondition' [in italic] of justification before God... Therefore, faith in Jesus Christ... must precede justification as its logical (not chronological) prius... Thus we have the order: effectual calling... and faith in Jesus Christ, justification, and glorification."
- A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith, page 707. (1998, Nelson)

How vast is the difference between the old-school and the new-school theology - it is a gulf unbridgeable!

If the words of Mr Luther - "the doctrine of justification is the article of a standing or falling church" - were true, then how of the many reformed churches are standing churches today? Is your church standing?

The above post here:
https://www.facebook.com/sing.f.lau/posts/pfbid0qjZoTPMw6Qy9Fn14JK4uBwgWmmUdMBSn9HHcFuZt3EwHBJh4yPM9aY6pYVXiosPzl

=============

Jessy
The Bible everywhere makes it clear that faith is the cause of justification. Faith is the effect of regeneration, but faith is never the effect of justification. I am a staunch 5-pointer, but I'll never put the cart before the horse, especially when the Bible is so clear that we don't need to concoct things.

sing
Let me show you what your WCF.11.1 says:

"Those whom God effectually calleth, He also freely justifieth: not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ’s sake alone; not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them, they receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith; which faith they have not of themselves, it is the gift of God."

=========

i. "...NOT for any thing wrought in them":
- Faith is a saving grace wrought in them. (WCF 14.1).
- Gal 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith..."

ii. "... or [anything] done by them...":
- Faith/believing is a work done by the justified.
- It's "the just shall live by faith," it's NOT "by faith the condemned (unjustified) is justified." But that's how many read the words. The latter is a popular fable.
- John 6:29 "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

iii. "... not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing...":
- No, Gen 15:1-6 is NOT about justification of a condemned man.
- It is about how a justified man experienced the blessedness of his justified state, i.e. by faith only, WITHOUT observing any ceremonial law as the stiffnecked Judaizers insisted.

iv. "... or any other evangelical obedience to them..."
- 1 John 3:23: "And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment."
- Faith is an evangelical obedience to a commandment.
- Faith "is ever accompanied with all other saving graces" worked in a child of God. Only a child of God (an elect already effectually called out of his native state of sin and death to that state of grace and salvation in Jesus Christ) can exercise the grace of faith already worked in him by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Conclusion: Justification by faith alone is a fiction clearly REPUDIATED by your own WCF.

What about the next paragraph, I can hear you scream!
Let's take a look then.

WCF.11.2 - "Faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ and His righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification; yet is it not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but worketh by love."

Faith... is the alone instrument of justification.

Faith in Christ (i.e. receiving and resting on Christ and His righteousness) is the alone instrument to MANIFEST, EVIDENCE one's justified state.

WHY?
Because the BASIS of his justification is the righteousness of Christ.
The MANNER of his justification is FREELY by the grace of God.
A voltmeter is the alone instrument to manifest the voltage in the circuit; the voltmeter as an instrument DOES NOT produce voltage in the circuit.

Rom 3:24
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
- the BASIS of justification: "through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
- the MANNER of justification: "freely by his [God's] grace."
"Receiving and resting on Christ and His righteousness" is the only instrument to experience the BLESSEDNESS of that FREE GRACE justification based on the righteousness of Christ.

May the Lord grant you understanding.

Jessy
Not one thing negated what I said. Faith is the effect of regeneration, and justification is then the effect of faith.

sing
Jessy: Faith is indeed AN effect of regeneration.

But do you know that spiritual life (regeneration) is the effect of righteousness applied, i.e. justification by grace?

Sin is the transgression of the law, and brings death.

Righteousness is obedience to the law and secures life.

Rom 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

"He also freely justifieth... by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them..." WCF 11.1

With the imputation of righteousness, there is justification of life.

With life, there is faith worked within the justified, which is drawn out by the ministry of the word.

There are different and distinct aspects of justification
Justification was PURPOSED by God in eternity,
Justification was ACCOMPLISHED by Christ at the cross,
Justification was APPLIED to each elect at his effectual calling,
Justification is EXPERIENCED by faith at initial conversion and throughout life. and
Justification shall be CONSUMMATED at Christ's second coming.

WCF 11.4
"God did, from all eternity, decree to justify the elect; and Christ did, in the fullness of time, die for their sins and rise again for their justification; nevertheless they are not justified until the Holy Spirit doth, in due time, actually apply Christ unto them."

This paragraph declares THREE distinct aspects of justification:
- God decreed to justify
- Christ accomplished their justification
- the Holy Spirit applied it

The APPLIED aspect is stated in 11.1
The EXPERIENTIAL aspect is stated in 11.2

May the Lord give you understanding.

Jessy
Whenever the Bible mentions justification by faith, the emphasis is on the experiential aspect. And I am emphasising that as well. We don't evangelise saying you will be saved and then you believe. In that aspect, I wholeheartedly agree with Dr Reymond. We should not muddy what the Bible is explicitly clear about.

[But Dr Reymond and Dr Gill WERE NOT speaking of the experiential aspect, they are talking of the legal/vital aspect.]

Sing
Jessy, these are your words:
"Bible everywhere makes it clear that faith is the cause of justification. Faith is the effect of regeneration, but faith is never the effect of justification. I am a staunch 5-pointer, but I'll never put the cart before the horse, especially when the Bible is so clear that we don't need to concoct things.

=======

Your words, "... faith is the cause of justification... but faith is never the effect of justification..."

Faith is the effect of justification:

"The just shall live by faith" - this is biblical. This is a DESCRIPTIVE statement about the justified.

"By faith, the condemned shall be justified" - this is the popular sola fidei. This is a PRESCRIPTIVE statement on how the condemned (the unjustified) is to be justified.