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The Calvinists DO
NOT really believe that eternal salvation is by grace alone... because they
insist that men MUST do something in order to appropriate that salvation for
themselves.
The Scriptures
teaches pure grace, and grace ALONE:
- God purposed
eternal salvation for His elect...
- Jesus secured that
eternal redemption for His elect...
- The Holy Spirit
applies that eternal redemption to each elect at effectual calling when he is
still in his native state of sin and death...
And once that
eternal redemption is applied, by God's free and sovereign grace alone, an
elect is perfectly fitted for eternal glory. Nothing more needed.
The gospel ministry
is ordained, and is relevant, and intended for such only - i.e. those to whom
God has freely and sovereignly applied eternal redemption personally - for
their well-being as God's children here on earth.
This is salvation by
grace, and grace alone. No human cooperation or aid at all.
Calvinists insist
that a man must do something to appropriate the eternal redemption for himself
- such as believing in order for the righteousness of Christ to be imputed to
him!
BOTH the Calvinists
and their cousins Arminians have made faith the instrumental means to obtain
eternal salvation... while it is PLAIN as the noon day sun that faith is an
effect and fruit of eternal salvation ALREADY applied by God's free and
sovereign grace alone.
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Comments
Robert E Griffin [REG]
100% error. Sadly,
Sing. Think before you type my brother.
Sing F Lau
SS, so, what is my
misconception? Please elaborate. [SS has deleted all his comments]
Please remember,
there are all sorts of 'calvinists' out there!
REG, which part that
I have written misrepresent you a Calvinist?
Do Calvinists not believe that a man is justified by God, i.e. Christ's righteousness is imputed to him, when he believes? That's the uniform view of Calvinists that I am acquainted with.
Sing F Lau
The Calvinists DO
NOT really believe that eternal salvation is by grace alone... EVEN though they
claim and insist that they do... because they insist that men MUST do something
in order to appropriate that salvation for themselves.
They confuse eternal
salvation of the elect (in their native state of sin and death) solely by the
free grace of God... which was purposed, accomplished, is applied and will be
consummated all solely by God's free grace, and the temporal salvation of God's
children conditioned upon their obedience to the will of the Father for them.
Sing F Lau
We believe that
Christ's righteousness is imputed to us upon regeneration.
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Adam's sin was
IMPUTED LEGALLY to all he represented in the fall.
EVEN SO, Christ's
righteousness was IMPUTED LEGALLY to all He represented on the cross.
The condemnation of
death of Adam's sin is APPLIED PERSONALLY at conception.
The justification of
life by Christ's righteousness is APPLIED PERSONALLY at the effectual calling
of an elect out of his native state of sin and death to that of grace and
eternal salvation.
With the
righteousness of Christ applied to an elect personally, the justification of
life gave divine warrant for the Holy Spirit's wok of regeneration. The
regenerated is adopted, and given the gift of the Spirit of adoption... who
works all saving graces in the heart of a child of God.
The grace of faith
is drawn forth by the gospel ministry... evidencing the PRIOR work free and
gracious work of justification and regeneration.
Do Calvinists believe the same as this teaching from the Scriptures?
Bienvenido Kow
Yes and Amen. There
are only two main characters in the bible. The first Adam and the second Adam.
All are representative works of these two main characters.
Sing F Lau
"Faith is a
necessary requirement for salvation, and Calvinists believe this. "
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May I said this is
the most illogical and nonsensical statement? That is why I say Calvinist DON'T
believe in free grace salvation.
And here is the very
simple and plain reason.
Faith is a saving
grace, a FRUIT and EFFECT of salvation ALREADY bestowed, is it not? No? Will
any Calvinist worth his salt DENY that faith is a fruit of salvation ALREADY
bestowed?
Isn't faith,
believing and resting in Jesus Christ, an EFFECT of the eternal life ALREADY
bestowed by the free and sovereign act of effectual call to grace and
salvation? No? Will any Calvinist worth his salt DENY that faith is a fruit of
salvation ALREADY bestowed?
How can an FRUIT and
EFFECT of salvation be the requirement for that salvation? Have Calvinists lost
their mind?
No, no, no. Faith is
the evidence and manifestation of the salvation ALREADY bestowed by God's free
and sovereign grace.
It is 'the just
shall live by faith.'
It is NOT NOT NOT,
'the unjustified shall be justified by faith and live.'
Calvinists DO NOT
believe in salvation by God's free grace... though they are a little less
inconsistent than their Arminian cousins they despise! <LOL>
Sing F Lau
Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own
doing; it is the gift of God,"
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I suggest that you
read this. You may yet learn some truths, if the Lord is willing...
An exposition on Eph
2:8-9
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2008/01/saved-by-grace-through-faith-whose.html
Things New and Old: Saved by grace through faith – whose faith?
Sing F Lau
"Faith is a
necessary requirement for salvation, and Calvinists believe this. "
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This is like saying,
"Breath is a
necessary requirement for life, and dead men believe this."
But breath is an
activity of life, a manifestation of life already possessed!
How could breath be
a necessary requirement for a dead man to have life?
Only a dead man that has
been quickened has breath.
Breathing is an
activity of life, thus it cannot be a requirement for life, i.e. to get life,
MUCH LESS a necessary requirement!
Sing F Lau
Those are your
words, not mine.
'Faith is a
necessary requirement for salvation' is a plain example of the repudiation of
salvation by sovereign grace.
Why don't Calvinists
just admit it that from one side of their mouth they claim to affirm sovereign
grace, and from the other side of the same mouth they repudiate sovereign
grace... because of their inconsistencies?
Instead of insisting
that faith is a CONDITION (a requirement is a condition that men must meet) for
salvation, why don't just admit that faith is an EVIDENCE of salvation by God's
sovereign grace?
What is the use of
sarcasm?
Humble admission
would be honourable.
Are the Calvinists
so complete in their understanding that they have arrived, and have no
inconsistencies and deficiencies to amend?
That statement is just one of them. There are several more serious than that...
I was a 'calvinist'
for 20 plus years... I saw many contradictions and inconsistencies in the
popular 'calvinism' zealously espoused by the 'Reformed' people.
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Calvinistic-sounding Arminians
I wrote:
'The Calvinists DO
NOT really believe that eternal salvation is by grace alone... because they
insist that men MUST do something in order to appropriate that salvation for
themselves.'
A Calvinist
protested:
'I don't know which
Calvinists you talk to, but it seems you're under a misconception. I'm a
Calvinist, and what you're saying about us is simply not true.
Another, more
stridently:
'100% error. Sadly,
Sing. Think before you type, my brother.'
Then another
Calvinist insisted:
"Faith is a
necessary requirement for salvation, and Calvinists believe this."
The others expressed
hearty amen to this statement.
See what I mean!
They just prove my point!
That statement - Faith is a necessary requirement for salvation, and Calvinists believe this - is the most illogical and nonsensical statement. That is why I say Calvinists DON'T REALLY believe in free grace salvation. But they sincerely think so, but in reality, they repudiate it.
Faith is a saving
grace, a FRUIT and EFFECT of salvation ALREADY bestowed, is it not? No? Will
any Calvinist worth his salt DENY that faith is a fruit of salvation ALREADY
bestowed?
Isn't faith,
believing and resting in Jesus Christ, an EFFECT of the eternal life ALREADY
bestowed by the free and sovereign act of effectual call to grace and
salvation? No? Will any Calvinist worth his salt DENY that faith is a fruit of
salvation ALREADY bestowed?
How can a FRUIT and
EFFECT of salvation be the requirement for that salvation? Have Calvinists lost
their mind? They haven't. Just confused.
Willy Keat
Mr Sing, your
doctrine is very hard to understand.....
Bill Taylor
Per John's first
epistle, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ IS born if God. In this it
is evident that the "borning" precedes the believing. Amen, Bro.
Sing.
Sing F Lau
Willy, it is
actually very simple if you would humbly accept the truth. All my 4 children
have no problem understanding and believing.
Please tell me: do
you breathe IN ORDER to get life, OR do you breathe BECAUSE you have life?
Do you understand
this statement: life precedes all the activities of that life?
If you do, do you
agree that it is a basic and fundamental truth?
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." - Leo Tolstoy –
Sing F Lau
Herman, which
species of tulip? I have heard of several... some very injurious to the truth!
Seriously.
[Herman has deleted his comments]
Sing F Lau
Thanks, Brother
Herman.
All the different
species are called by a small acronym!
I like your
'original set' qualification! <LOL>
Dallas Eaton II
IS = 1+1+1= 3, or
one plus one plus one is three.
Brother Herman, I am not arguing with you, but I see perseverance as a word describing what I do to remain in a certain condition. I would define preservation as that which maintains my condition despite my perseverance. I simply believe the elect are preserved, that many may and do persevere by Grace, but not all do or will persevere in Grace, but will instead fall from Grace, yet never fall from their positional condition in Christ. We can fall from Grace in many different ways.
Michael Lim
Thank God that He
has revealed the truth to unworthy ppl like myself and others. I am not in a
confused state now, or else I will be rambling some illogical thoughts out, and
ppl will get confused. LOLZ!
