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"These things" happened since THREE days ago. |
Lu 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Sing
F Lau
Here
is a simple observation.
On
Sunday morning, two disciples were on their way to Emmaus, and they said to
Christ, "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed
Israel: and beside all this, to day is the THIRD DAY SINCE these things were
done."
"These
things" - I take these things as referring to the trial, crucifixion and
burial of Christ.
"These
things" happened since THREE days ago. Sunday was the THIRD day since
those things happened.
Sunday
- THIRD day SINCE those things happened;
Saturday
- SECOND day SINCE those things happened.
Friday
- FIRST day SINCE those things happened.
Thursday
- DEEEEEEEEEE day those things happened.
If
those things happened on Wednesday (with the Passover starting at Tues 6pm),
then it would have been the FOURTH days since those things happened by Sunday
morning.
I assume those two disciples know how to count!!!
Josiah
Lau
dad
what do you think of this?
https://www.logosapostolic.org/bible_study/RP208-4EmmausRoad.htm
Josiah
Lau
The
argument is that all the events of/surrounding Jesus' death properly ended with
the sealing of the tomb and posting of the guards at his tomb, which took place
on Thursday, the Passover high Sabbath. That makes Luke's account consistent
with what Pr Crosby has here: http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/holidays/easter.php
Sing
F Lau
I
think his accounting is not sound... in fact bad!
Here's
why. Quoting from his article:
##
(Matthew 27:62) And on the next day, which is after the preparation, the chief
priests and Pharisees had gathered together to Pilate.##
From
this text we conclude that the tomb was sealed on the day AFTER the day called
the preparation day.
We
know that the preparation day was the day after the passover day - John 19:42
"There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for
the sepulchre was nigh at hand."
Also
the preparation day is known as the high day - the annual sabbath, distinct
from the weekly sabbath.
Joh
19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies
should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was
an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they
might be taken away."
The
preparation was an annual sabbath day... "THAT day was a high day."
The
day AFTER the preparation/high day was the weekly sabbath. So, it was ON Saturday
that the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, requesting
that the tomb be made secured during the night of Saturday 6pm to Sunday
6am.... because according to their reckoning from Christ's own words, they
expected Him to raise WITHIN THAT period. That is the THIRD night of the
"3 days and 3 nights" formula spoken. Guarding the tomb any earlier
or any later would make them appeared as foolish! They did take Christ's words
of 3 days and 3 night SERIOUSLY!
"3
days and 3 nights" - they guarded the tomb on the 3rd night, Sat 6pm to
Sun 6am.
They
were smart Jews who didn't waste resources, who took Christ's words seriously.
Christ
came forth just before the dawn of Sunday morning!
Coming
forth any earlier or any later would prove Himself wrong in His repeated words
of "3 days and 3 nights."
The
author made a serious error stating this:
##
"After the sealing of the tomb, no event is recorded in scripture of
anything that happened until the women came to the tomb on Sunday morning.
There are therefore two complete days, the 16th and 17th of Nisan, where
nothing is recorded about what happened. Sunday was therefore the third day
after the sealing of the tomb, the last scriptural event recorded until Sunday
morning; the same day that the disciples were on the Emmaus road. This is what
"this is the third day" (Luke 24:21) refers to."##
No,
after the sealing of the tomb, there was only the night of the Saturday
6pm-Sunday 6am left!!!
The
author has to adjust all these days BECAUSE he started out with the WRONG
PREMISE that Jesus died and was buried on Wednesday!!!
His
first paragraph stated his dilemma neatly
"Note:
What is the problem with this scripture? Simply it is the phrase "today is
the third day" (Luke 24:21), and the fact that we have taught that Jesus
died and was buried on a 14th Nisan, a Wednesday afternoon. Now if we count the
days from then, Thursday would be the first day, Friday would be the second
day, and Saturday would be the third day, but this conversation on the Emmaus
road is Sunday afternoon. This we know because it is said to be "on the
same day" (Luke 24:13), which refers back to "on the first day of the
week" (Luke 24:1 KJV) or "on one day from the Sabbath" (Luke
24:1 RPT). So there is an apparent disagreement which needs to be
explained."
"To
day is the third day", and
"To
day is the third day SINCE..." are NOT the same!!!
The
Scriptures says:
Lu
24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and
beside all this, to day is the third day SINCE these things were done.
The chief priests and the Pharisees, as well as the two disciples from Emmaus were ABLE to count far more accurately than very many in the 21st century!!! <LOOOOOL>
Josiah
Lau
okay
I'm reading up a bit more... would you say your account matches closely with
this? http://www.thesimpletruth.net/booklet/3d3n.html
Josiah
Lau
Interesting
additional note in the above link:
"NOTE: Those who believe in a Wednesday crucifixion have a problem -- 6 days before the Passover, if He was crucified on a Wednesday, would fall on a Friday. Thus Jesus would have had to enter the streets of Jerusalem riding on an ass on the SABBATH, a direct BREAKING of the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10 says all cattle and beasts of burden were also given a Sabbath of rest. Jesus never broke the Sabbath."
Josiah
Lau
Can
I also say, dad, that your account does not assume that 3 days and 3 nights =
72 hours, right? because your account is incompatible with 72 hours.
Sing
F Lau
Hardly
anyone takes "3 days and 3 nights" as equivalent to exactly 72hrs in
everyday speech!
Only
someone desperate to make "3 days and 3 nights" to fit into a
preconceived idea would insist on such exactness! Those who insist that
Christ's "3 days and 3 nights" EQUAL 72hrs must insist that Christ
rose shortly after Sat 6pm.
Incompatible
with 72 exact hrs is a far less problem than having to admit "to day is
the FOURTH DAY SINCE these things were done."
Peruse a related article here:
Take a look here: http://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2010/06/three-days-and-three-nights.html
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Gen
1:5 And
God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and
the morning were the first day.
The Jewish reckoning of a 24hr day consists of a 12hr evening (6pm-6am) and a 12hr morning (6am-6pm)
p/s 3 days and 3 nights (it's not 3 nights and 3 days!)
- part of 1st day: Thur 6am-6pm. The crucifixion and burial occurred
- 1st night: Thur 6pm - Fri 6am
- 2nd day: Fri 6am - Fri 6pm
- 2nd night: Fri 6pm - Sat 6am
- 3rd day: Sat 6am - Sat 6pm
- 3rd night: Sat 6pm - Sun 6am
Christ rose shortly after Sun dawn... AFTER 3 days and 3 nights.
Some silly by sincere folks say Jesus rose at Saturday 6pm - based on the 3n3d=72hrs idea, i.e. from burial at Wed 6pm - Sat pm. He rose before the soldiers were posted for the night of Saturday.
