April 10, 2020 ·
Just
one question related to the time of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The
first 24-hour day of the Jewish week consists of the 12-hr evening (6pm-6am)
and 12-hr morning (6am-6pm); i.e. evening (Sat 6pm-Sun 6am) and morning (Sun
6am-Sun 6pm).
Genesis
1:5 KJV
And
God called the light Day, the darkness he called Night. And the evening and
the morning were the first day.
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Comments
Dhong
I
think it will depend on what day you place the death of Christ. If it is on
Wednesday then it would be after 6pm of Saturday.
If
you place the death of Christ on Thursday then it would be after 6am on the
first day of the week or Sunday.
Sing
Dhong, which day do you put the day of Christ's death, and why?
Dhong
Sing: Taking
into consideration the 3days and 3nights, It will be Wednesday. And when the
women went into the grave it was yet dark and when they arrived the angel
declared that Christ was already risen.
[sing: It was yet dark because they came very early on Sunday morning, before dawn!]
Reggie
Dhong: don’t let the sabbath throw u off. A high holy day is also a sabbath.
So, you can have 2 sabbaths in a row. Crucified on a Thursday gives you three
days and three nights in the heart of the earth.. placing a risen Savior on
Sunday Morning. But, I think Sing’s question has an element to it, how early
was the resurrection? Sunday morning is actually our Monday morning at 5-6am.
Dhong
Reggie: If
Jewish time reckoning is sundown to sunrise is 👉 night , then sunrise to
sundown 👉day then the resurrection would have taken
place after sunrise to complete the 3days and 3nights factor of Christ
resurrection prophecy.
Sing
Reggie
Lee @ "...Sunday morning is actually our Monday morning at 5-6am.'
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What do you mean??????????????????????????????????????????
Dhong
Sing: What's
your stand on this matter? On what day do you place Christ's death on the
cross?
Sing
My
stand is the soapbox!
Christ died around Thur 3pm; He was buried shortly.
Reggie,
Sing
hey, I went 24 hours too far... I’m trying to put Mary at the tomb before
sunrise. And the Jewish days go from 6 am to 6 am..
Philip
Reggie: Jewish days go from 6pm to 6pm. Evening starts the day!
Dellis
Doesn't
the High day, mentioned in John 19, have a significance ?
Sing
High
day is the Annual Sabbath, distinct from the weekly Sabbath.
Dellis
Sing: But does it have to fall on a Saturday?
Sing
I
don't know. From the Scriptures, the day after the crucifixion is the High Day
(an annual sabbath) followed by the weekly Sabbath.
Dellis
Sing, agreed.
Christ
arose on the first day of the week
[sing: first day of the week is Sun6am-6pm; first night of the week is Sat6m-Sun6am. A 24hr Jewish day is 12hr night and 12hr day, from 6pm to 6pm.]
Reggie
Dellis: No
Sing
Read
Mt 28... pay attention to those elite Romans Marines posted to guard the tomb -
to ensure that the dead remain in the tomb, and not stolen, to discredit
Christ's claim - and their fleeing from the tomb to the city to report what
they had witnessed.
What
time did they flee from the tomb and rushed to the city?
I
take it as an incontrovertible fact that the resurrection of Christ was marked
by an earthquake, just as His death was similarly marked by an earthquake. Mt
27:50-54.
If
any disagree, tell us why.
Dhong
Sing: The
earthquake signified that Christ has resurrected from the dead and when the
women came to the tomb it was early in the morning of the first day of the
week. Suffice it to say that there was 3days and 3nights and Christ resurrected
as prophesied in the holy writ.
[sing: First day of the week begins at Sunday 6am; first night of the week begins at Sat 6pm]
Sing
Dhong,
so which day was Christ put to death?
Dhong
Sing: John
19:31 "The
Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not
remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high
day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be
taken away."
[sing: The Passover day was followed by the annual sabbath day (an high day); then the weekly sabbath.]
Buddy
The
Scriptures tell us that " as Jonah was 3 days and and 3 nights in the
whales' belly so shall the Son of man be." One natural day is 24 hrs. It's
constant wherever you are. Therefore 3 days and 3 nights is 72 hrs. Based on
Jewish calendar, Christ died 3pm Wed and resurrected 3pm Saturday. And on Sun.,
He was already alive! You need not be a mathematician to compute that, just
count the rotation of the clock. To check, reverse the counting. If your
resurrection is Sun., so what time? The Bible says early dawn nearing the first
day of the week (Sun.), Jesus Christ was already alive! HE IS ALIVE TODAY AND
FOREVER.!!!
Sing
Salvator,
I like your mathematically precise approach that 3d3n MUST BE exactly 72hrs, no
more no less. I don't know if that is ever the way language is commonly used
then or even today. To me it is an idea arbitrarily imposed upon the Scriptures
out of thin air.
Just
one difficulty: the 3d3n=72hr notion would mean the chief priests and the
Pharisees, the contemporaries, ALSO couldn't count. Perhaps. And they requested
the elite guards to be posted for the night, the first evening of the Jewish
week, between Sat 6pm- Sun 6am.
Mt
27
62¶Now
the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and
Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63Saying,
Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three
days I will rise again.
64Command
therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his
disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is
risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
[Salvador deleted his comments!]
Buddy
Sing
For clarification In Matt.27:62 that you presented "the next day"
there, what day was that"?
Sing
Did
Christ say 3days and 3 nights or did He say 3 night and 3 days?
Would
the former mean rising after the 3rd night; the latter, rising after the 3rd
day?
What
do you think?
Buddy
Sing: I think all people (including the Pharisees, et al) wherever they are,
understand what 3 days and 3 nights mean. It is 3 natural (whole) days, which
is equavalent to 72 hrs. If night time here, other areas are daytime. Still the
time reckoning is the same, 24 hrs in one whole day. Jonah 1:17 and Matt.12:
38-40 tell us " 3days and 3nights". In the creation account of days,
it is repeatedly mentioned "the evening and the morning" as one day -
Gen.1: 5,8,13,19,23,31.
Christ
said in John 11:9 - "Are there not 12 hrs in a day?" - meaning
daytime. In the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John presented this
subjects about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ in varied
circumstances but they are not contradictory, they compliment each other. There
are impt. events to consider that transpired prior to the death, burial and
resurrection of Christ, that lead me to come up with the said prior
presentation.
Would
you mind to pls. present your view of what day and time did Christ die?
Sing
Salvador,
I don't begin with the premise that the usage of 3 days and 3 nights in common
usage requires a 3 full 12hr-day and 3 full 12hr-night, though that is mathematically precise.
At
least the chief priests and the Pharisees didn't have such a notion. If they
had, they wouldn't have posted the Romans guards after the resurrection had
occurred.
They
did take Christ's claim seriously; they certainly could count; they, being
contemporaries, were certainly in a better position to understand the numbers
involved.
That's
my view about the 3d3n phrase.
PJ
Walters
There
was a saying among the Jews that part of a day is considered a day.
Buddy
Sing
The Scriptures is clear from Jonah 1:17 and Matt.12:38-40 "3days and
3nights". God is not the author of confusion and I stand to what I
presented. For the sake of argument, setting aside mathematics. Just using
common sense by comparing and making 2 circles by putting nos. of Jewish time
reckoning and Roman (Gentile) time frame. The former is 6 to 6 and the latter
12 to 12. Using the KJV of the Bible, we read various events that transpired
prior to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ - Matt.27 and other
Gospels.
Crucifixion
- Mark 15:25 -third hour (9am Gentile time).
Total
darkness - Mark 15:33 - sixth hour til ninth hour - (12 Nn til 3pm Gentile
time). Pls refer to Matt. 27 regarding these events. Matt. 27:46-50 - about the
ninth hour (3pm Gentile time) He expired.
Resurrection
- Matt.28:1-6; Mark 16:1-2.
Now,
Christ died 3pm as the Scriptures present. We are told that "as it began
to dawn toward the first day of the week" ; "very early in the
morning the first day of the week", Christ was already alive!
Again,
let us go back to the "3days and 3nights". Christ died the
"ninth hour" (3pm Gentile time, Sat.) If we compare the 2 circles
made and reverse the rotation regarding the 3d and 3n, we can get precisely the
3pm Wed time. That is my common sense of presentation. Others claim a Fri.
death scenario and that fall very short of time reckoning. May I know what you
think, bro. Lau?
Sing
Thanks
Brother. I have no issue with the 3d3n phrase; I do when that is equated as 3
12hr days and 3 12hr night, 72hrs and no less.
Also
the hours around the Sunday dawn are within the time frame of "very early
in the morning the first day of the week." [First day of the week begins at Sun 6am; first night of the week begins at Sat 6pm]
The
first day of the week starts at 6am Sunday. The first one or two hours of the
first day of the week are within the "very early in the morning the first
of the week."
Also, the hours around the Sunday dawn are within the time frame of "very early in the morning the first day of the week." early in the morning the first of the week."
Buddy
Sing: Agreed and welcome bro. Lau.
Dellis
Mark
9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is
delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is
killed, he shall rise the third day.
1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
I
take this to mean He rose again on the third day not after the third day
Christ was taken down at the end of Thursday and He lay Fri. Sat. and rose on Sunday. the third day.
Reggie
See,
that’s where I got that idea of mixing our thinking with biblical time... it
actually put me Monday morning at 530 to 6 am...
Sing
Matthew
27:64 KJV — Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third
day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the
people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the
first.
*until
the third day*
Sing
Luke
24:21 KJV — "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed
Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were
done."
*to
day is the third day since these things were done*
-
what day were those words spoken?
-
what day were those things done?
Henry
The
women went early before signup he was already risen! Wir
Sing
While
they were on the way, the resurrection took place, marked by that thunderous
earthquake of rejoicing.
PJ
Walters
To
me what makes sense is a Thursday crucifixion since the Jews of that time
understood part of day as a day.
Thursday:
crucifixion and burial before sundown. Day 1.
Thursday
night: lying in the tomb. Night 1.
Friday:
lying in the tomb. Day 2.
Friday
night: lying in the tomb. Night 2.
Saturday:
lying in the tomb. Day 3.
Saturday
night: lying in the tomb and resurrecting before sunrise. Night 3.
Noteworthy
to mention: Friday was a high sabbath, so anointing a body during that time
would not be permitted. Saturday was the weekly sabbath, so no anointing was
permitted then, either. This tells us that no disciples would have been
visiting the tomb friday or Saturday, so there was no chance of them stealing
the body.
The
women would have set out as early as they could before sunrise since the first
day of the week would have been their earliest opportunity to anoint his body,
but they didn't get to the tomb until a little after dawn.
Concerning
the disciples on the road to Emmaus, Saturday night would have been the
beginning of the 1st day of the week, so it would have been "the third day
since these things were done."
Sing
PJ
Walters, That makes lots of sense.
