Things New & Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths. Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.


Sunday, February 22, 2015

Death ALONE, or BOTH Life and Death?



BOTH the flowing water and the water wheel
in harmony are needed to work the mill.

A popular idea versus the biblical truth

 "In Christ the elect are saved by Christ's death alone."
 
VERSUS

In Christ, the elect are saved by BOTH Christ's life
 (of perfect obedience to the laws of God for them), 
 AND
Christ's death (in payment of their wages of sins)

It is by BOTH His blood, AND righteousness. 

The popular idea REPUDIATES the absolute necessity
of Christ's life of sinless and perfect obedience to God's law
in securing the righteousness for the elect's
justification before God. 



Mark posted this
I am all for intellectual assent to the gospel. Intellectual knowledge and understanding of the gospel is a great gift of God. But that assent, knowledge and understanding is not our righteousness. The object of assent is Christ's death for the imputed sins of the elect. In Christ the elect are saved by Christ's death alone. The assent to the death is not the death. The assent to the death is not our righteousness.Top of Form

Jason
Yep, He is our righteousness.

Mark
II Peter 1:1 Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
It is a righteousness of God that saves. Nothing more conclusively shows that it is not our righteousness. We are not God. Christ is God. Christ's death is God's righteousness
The righteousness revealed in the gospel and obtained by Christ's obedient death in history is not God's attribute of righteousness, but it does satisfy God's attribute of righteousness. Human righteousness does not. The death of a person who is only human is not God's righteousness.
The righteousness earned by Christ's death is not the righteousness by which Christ (God Himself) is righteous, but the righteousness earned by Christ's death is that by which God justifies elect sinners.

Jason
2 Peter 1:1 is one of the many verses that helped me greatly. You have faith as a gift, by Christs righteousness and not ours, and Jesus being called God and savior. That verse along with John 1:12,13 helped me considerably.

sing
Death alone took care of the SIN and CONDEMNATION only.

Sinless life took care of the RIGHTEOUSNESS and JUSTIFICATION.

Both the 'active" obedience and "passive" obedience are needed.

Mark
sing, you got a Bible text that says that, or only a confession of faith?

So are you saying that faith is not purchased by Christ's death, that faith is not given because of Christ's death?

sing
Mark, I said these:
Death alone took care of the SIN and CONDEMNATION only.
Sinless life took care of the RIGHTEOUSNESS and JUSTIFICATION.
Both the 'active" obedience and "passive" obedience are needed.

I didn't give the slightest hint at faith at all, much less the idea that faith is purchased by Christ's death or that faith is given because of Christ's death.

If you wish to know, faith is a spiritual virtue WORKED in the child of God by the indwelling Spirit of God.

Mark
are you saying that the death of Christ was not active obedience? the one act of righteousness?
I will lay it down, and I will take it up again

sure the Father is the priest who "hands him over" to be sacrificed ---Romans 8:32
but also, Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Ephesians 5:32
unlike us, Christ died when he wanted to, because He wanted to, He wasn't a baby, He wasn't even only a mature adult, He was also God and died on purpose, as an "accomplishment" (the discussion on the mount of glorification). As God, unlike us, Christ had sovereignty over His own life and death.
Psalm 31: 5 Into your hand I WILL hand over my spirit;

Isaiah 53: 12 He poured out His soul unto death

Mark
 there are some folks who say “not justification but sanctification” who still manage to think of faith as the power which keeps us saved. Scott Clark on faith as a “power”—-The English noun “virtue” isderived from the Latin noun ” the root sense of which is “power.” To speak of faith “as a virtue” tends to cause folk to locate the power of faith in faith itself.

WCF 8.6: Although the work of redemption was not actually wrought by Christ till after his incarnation, yet the virtue, efficacy, and benefits thereof were communicated unto the elect….

WCF 13.1 .–They who are effectually called and regenerated, having a new heart and a new spirit created in them…through the virtue of Christ’s death and resurrection
2 Peter 1:5 is to the point here: For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue (αρετη), and virtue with knowledge….

Neither the Three Forms nor the Westminster Standards speak of faith as a “virtue.”
WCF 14.1 The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe…. is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts,There is nothing intrinsic to faith that makes it powerful. The mystery of faith is that it is, in itself, empty. It is a sign of our perversity that we continually try to fill faith with something other than “Christ for us.” We want to make the power of faith to be faith itself or Spirit-wrought sanctity or something else beside Christ.
:
Those whom God effectually calls, he also freely justifies: not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ’s sake alone; nor by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them, they receiving and resting on him and his righteousness, by faith; which faith they have not of themselves, it is the gift of God.
Faith does not justify because it is “formed by love,” i.e. made powerful by Spirit-wrought sanctity—–.
http://heidelblog.net/2014/06/is-faith-a-virtue-
David asks, I know that we would say that faith is an instrument whereby we receive Christ's imputed...
heidelblog.net

sing
“are you saying that the death of Christ was not active obedience? the one act of righteousness?”
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I said these:
Death alone took care of the SIN and CONDEMNATION alone.
Sinless life took care of the RIGHTEOUSNESS and JUSTIFICATION.

Both the 'active" obedience and "passive" obedience are needed.

You said, "In Christ the elect are saved by Christ's death alone."

But Christ's death ALONE dealt with the wages of sins ALONE. Christ's death alone secured the forgiveness of sins alone.

Christ's life of sinless obedience to the law of God secured the righteousness for the justification of His elect.

Try to understand what I have said. That's better. .
There are one and thousand things I haven't said!

Mark
sing, you just keep repeating your point but not arguing for it. Where does the Bible say that the death only forgives but does not give a positive righteousness? where in scriptures does it say that the death is only the wages of sin but still not enough for life? I understand what you have said so far--it's just the same thing over and over again, but no proof from the Bible.

Mark
A focus on “the active obedience” of Christ can...
markmcculley.wordpress.com

sing
Where does the Bible say that the death only forgives but does not give a positive righteousness?
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Fair question, Mark.
I just took it for granted that a student of God's word knows such obvious truth.

Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Heb 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

What secured the POSITIVE righteousness is Christ Jesus' life of active and perfect obedience to all the laws of God. Sins is the transgression of the law of God; righteousness is the obedience to the law of God.

I just thoughts these TWO truths are so basic.
Remission of sin alone DOES NOT justify a condemned man.
Imputation of Christ's righteousness does.
And that righteousness is secured by Christ's life of perfect and sinless obedience to all the laws of God. PERIOD.

Forgiveness of your sins is based on Christ's paying the wages of your sins, by His substitutionary death on the cross.

Imputation of righteousness to you for your justification before God is based on the faithfulness of Christ's perfect obedience to the laws of God.

BUT you insist the ALONE, "In Christ the elect are saved by Christ's death alone."

In Christ, the elect are saved by BOTH Christ's life of perfect obedience to the laws of God for them, AND Christ's death in their place. It is by His blood, AND righteousness.

It is BOTH; it is not alone. You can keep your "alone."
Thanks.

sing
I noticed you quote from the WCF. It is inferior to the 1689LCF.

1689.11.1
Those whom God effectually calleth, he also freely justifieth, not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ's sake alone; not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing Christ's active obedience unto the whole law, and passive obedience in his death for their whole and sole righteousness by faith, which faith they have not of themselves; it is the gift of God.
( Romans 3:24; Romans 8:30; Romans 4:5-8; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:30, 31; Romans 5:17-19; Philippians 3:8, 9; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; Romans 5:17 )

Please note:
"... by imputing Christ's active obedience unto the whole law, and passive obedience in his death for their whole and sole righteousness..."

Christ's ACTIVE obedience to the whole law, 
AS WELL AS 
 His PASSIVE obedience in his death 
for their whole and sole righteousness.

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Tuesday, February 17, 2015

Monergism degraded into Synergism through Revisionism

One effect of revisionism

Monergism degraded into Synergism
through Revisionism

From: sing
Date: Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Subject: modernized wording of 1689 (Stank)
To: list owner

Brother Stank,
The interesting subject heading reminded me of something about the subject.

This is 1689.10.1 [original version)
Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.

A popular version [published by Metropolitan Tabernacle]
Those whom God has predestinated to life, He is pleased in His appointed and accepted time to effectually call by His Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death which they are in by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ. He enlightens their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God. He takes away their heart of stone and gives to them a heart of flesh. He renews their wills, and by His almighty power, causes them to desire and pursue that which is good. He effectually draws them to Jesus Christ, yet in such a way that they come absolutely freely, being made willing by His grace.

The original has:
".... and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good."
The 'revised' has:
"... and by His almighty power, causes them to desire and pursue that which is good."

RBs and Calvinists everywhere insist that the two are STILL speaking about the same thing.

What do you think? I would like to hear your comments. [no reply from 'Stank' whatsoever].

I fear that most who want to modernize the ancient document ends up changing the meaning intended by those Framers because they have moved away from the theological mooring of the old particular baptists. I believe the reviser, as indicated in the above attempt at 'modernization,' has somewhat moved from the faith of those who framed the 1689 CoF.

Fullerites were a new breed of Baptists, different from the old particular baptists.

This and other related issues in this paragraph (10.1) would be interesting topic for discussion.
[I did raise the above matter with Dr Peter Masters much earlier, but received no response whatsoever.]

sing in the far east.
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Since no reply was forthcoming from the listowner, I gave these very brief comments:

The original has:
".... and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good."
- That which is good is none other that the state of grace and salvation into which the almighty divine brought them, when they were completely passive because they were in their native state of sin and death when that almighty power was exercised on them.
- This is 'monergism', pure and pristine; grace, yes unadulterated grace. That which is good is 'the state of grace and salvation' - all DETERMINED by the pure and effectual grace of God, apart from anything in the elect, being dead in trespasses and sins.]
- This has the almighty power of God DETERMINING them which are in their native state of sin and death to grace and salvation.

The 'modernized' has:
".... and by His almighty power, causes them to desire and pursue that which is good."
- This is 'synergism' at best, confusion at worst. The power of God causes His children to desire and pursue that which is good. He works in them (His children) to will and to do. This is a biblical truth... but this is not the truth INTENDED by the context of the paragraph, and the exact wording of the Confession.
- The original focused solely on the CAUSE alone... the divine call that effectually brought a elect out of that state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation, even the divine almighty power determining them to that which is good, the state of grace and eternal salvation.
- The 'modernized focused on the human effects of the divine cause. There is now the human part of desiring and pursuing that which is good!

The almighty power that determines the elect who are dead in trespasses and sins to eternal good has been turned into almighty power that enables the elect who are dead in trespasses and sins to desire and pursue that which is good.

On the one hand, by God's almighty power, good is determined and secured for the elect. This is grace indeed.

On the other hand, by God's almighty power, God's elect must desire and determine for themselves that which is good . This is work, a repudiation of grace.

What is that 'good' which is determined by the almighty power of God for everyone predestinated unto eternal life?

What is that 'good' which the elect of God, who have enabled by the almighty power of God, to desire and pursue for themselves? Is the same 'good' being considered?

The attempt at modernizing truth has turned grace into works, or putting it another way...

'Gillism' has been turned into ' Fullerism.' 
It is revisionism, the similar game with all those new versions of the Bible!

Man has that inclination and propensity to pervert and degrade the monergism of divine grace into the synergism of man's work.

Monday, February 16, 2015

Pinkish errors are showing

The life-giving voice of Christ, and
The converting call of the gospel ministry.
Can you distinguish them?

This is a popular quote, from Arthur Pink's  "The Ordained Lamp" 

"That which regulates God in His providential dealings concerning the Gospel—opening doors or shutting them, sending one of His ministers to a place or withdrawing him—is whether or not there be some of those for whom Christ died in that particular locality: for the "sheep" shall hear His voice (John 10:16).

Paul was bidden by the Lord to remain at Corinth, for, said He, "I have much people in this city" (Acts 18:10). On the other hand, God suffered him not to go into Bithynia (Acts 16:7).

Where there is no Gospel preaching for a protracted period, it is an indication that none of God’s elect are there."
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Quoted on a friend's page, it enjoyed 82 likes, and 27 shares! So, it's popular.

But I DON'T agree with Mr Pink.

1. "That which regulates God... is whether or not there be some for whom Christ died in that particular locality..." 
- No, that which regulates God is none other that His sovereign and own good pleasure. 
- Pink's notion presupposes that ALL elect without distinction will have the gospel ministry divinely directed to them. That's just a fable. 

2. The statement that His sheep will hear His voice is NOT the same as saying ALL His sheep will hear His voice through the gospel ministry. Mr Pink implies the latter.
- Pink assumes that wherever there are God's elect, the gospel ministry will be divinely sent to them. He believes all the elect are capable of hearing the gospel, and all will hear the gospel.

3. Pink is WRONG conditioning hearing the voice of Christ through the gospel ministry. John 6:39 proves NOTHING that all the elect will hear the voice of Christ THROUGH the gospel ministry.

4. A man insisted, "But the elect, eventually, will always respond to the gospel or they were not elect."

I would love some proof from the Scriptures for that assertion. He is saying, like Mr Pink, ALL ELECT, without exception. will always eventually hear the gospel, and respond to the gospel. Just prove that from the Scriptures.

All the elect in their native state of sin and death, without exception, will INDEED hear the life-giving voice of Christ, the life-giving voice of the eternal Word, and be given eternal salvation. However, not all such will hear, and respond to the gospel. Some don't have the ABILITY to hear, or respond to the gospel.; some don't have the OPPORTUNITY to hear the gospel.

The life-giving voice of Christ in SUMMONING a man dead in trespasses and sins to eternal life, and converting voice of a preacher calling a child of God (already called to eternal life by Christ) to believe the truth of his salvation are two distinct, and independent activities. 

The former is entirely monergistic, solely by divine power and activity in giving eternal life to a man dead in trespasses and sins; the latter is synergistic through the preaching activities of men in bringing God's children to know the truth of their salvation ALREADY freely accomplished by the Triune God.

Biblical distinction is the essence of sound theology. 
Sound-bites only mislead and confuse.
The pinkish skin and the whitish flesh are distinct!



The life-giving voice of Christ, and
The converting call of the gospel ministry.
Can you distinguish them?

This is a popular quote from Arthur Pink's "The Ordained Lamp"
"That which regulates God in His providential dealings concerning the Gospel—opening doors or shutting them, sending one of His ministers to a place or withdrawing him—is whether or not there be some of those for whom Christ died in that particular locality: for the "sheep" shall hear His voice (John 10:16).
Paul was bidden by the Lord to remain at Corinth, for, said He, "I have much people in this city" (Acts 18:10). On the other hand, God suffered him not to go into Bithynia (Acts 16:7).
Where there is no Gospel preaching for a protracted period, it is an indication that none of God’s elect are there."
====

I saw this quote on a friend's Facebook page; it enjoyed 82 likes, and 27 shares! So, it's popular.

But I DON'T agree with Mr Pink's idea.

1. "That which regulates God... is whether or not there be some for whom Christ died in that particular locality..."
- No, that which regulates God is none other than His sovereign and own good pleasure.
- Pink's notion presupposes that ALL elect without distinction will have the gospel ministry divinely directed to them. That's just a fable.

2. The statement that His sheep will hear His voice is NOT the same as saying ALL His sheep will hear His voice through the gospel ministry. Mr Pink implies the latter.
- Pink assumes that wherever there are God's elect, the gospel ministry will be divinely sent to them. He believes all the elect are capable of hearing the gospel, and all will hear the gospel.

3. Pink is WRONG in conditioning hearing the voice of Christ through the gospel ministry. John 6:39 proves NOTHING that all the elect will hear the voice of Christ THROUGH the gospel ministry.

4. A man insisted, "But the elect, eventually, will always respond to the gospel or they were not elect."
- I would love some proof from the Scriptures for that assertion. He is saying, like Mr Pink, ALL ELECT, without exception. will always eventually hear the gospel, and respond to the gospel. Just prove that from the Scriptures.

All the elect in their native state of sin and death, without exception, will INDEED hear the life-giving voice of Christ, the life-giving voice of the eternal Word, and be given eternal salvation. However, not all such will hear, and respond to the gospel. Some don't have the ABILITY to hear, or respond to the gospel.; some don't have the OPPORTUNITY to hear the gospel.

The life-giving voice of Christ in SUMMONING a man dead in trespasses and sins to eternal life, and converting voice of a preacher calling a child of God (already called to eternal life by Christ) to believe the truth of his salvation are two distinct, and independent activities.

The former is entirely monergistic, solely by divine power and activity in giving eternal life to a man dead in trespasses and sins; the latter is synergistic through the preaching activities of men in bringing God's children to know the truth of their salvation ALREADY freely accomplished by the Triune God.

Biblical distinction is the essence of sound theology.
Sound-bites only mislead and confuse.