Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Tuesday, March 26, 2024

The battle of that great day of God Almighty.

The battle of that great day of God Almighty.

The battle of that great day of God Almighty.

What is the battle spoken of?
Has it occurred? When?
And what is "that great day of God Almighty"?

Rev 16
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13  And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Michael Lim
Referring to Roman Catholicism?

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Read the question, Michael!
The BATTLE!

Michael Lim
if looking at verse 13 and verse 14, it seems to be a symbolic. i dont think the battle has started yet since verse 13 and verse 14 is happening now. i am not sure how it relates to verse 12 though.

This battle is to be in the future (date unknown yet)

Mark Thomas
The siege and destruction of Jerusalem. Yes. 69-70 AD.

Craig Kennedy
Yes. I agree warmly Mark.

Michael Lim
Err, but how is ad70 related to deceiving miracles and the drying up of the river Euphrates?

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Michael, a good question deserves a good reply.
Read Mat 24:24-25
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

Michael Lim
Err, how about drying up river Euphrates in v12? Should we take this literally or symbolically?

Mark Thomas
Hard to tell Br. Michael. Lots of strange things happened geologically at that time period. Like the eruption of Vesuvius and the burial of Pompey in deadly volcanic ash in 69 AD.

Earthquakes in the USA once caused the Mississippi River to run backwards for a day. Strange things can happen.

Michael Lim
Ah yes, a lot of disasters happen during ad70. Due to these disasters, ppl thought it is happening in the last days

Mark Thomas
It was the last throes of the Levitical priesthood. The end of the Jewish world under the dead letter of the law of Moses. Old things were folded up and put away. A new and living way had already begun.

Michael Lim
I guess drying up the river Euphrates should be in history records. Maybe Jospehus wrote it down, u think?

Joe Chin
If the Euphrates River had dried up, then who were the kings of the East? Would it make any sense? I have looked up the Euphrates River, stretching from north Turkey, through Syria and all the down to modern-day Kuwait. Were there any kings of the East during 70AD?

Michael Lim
It says the ways of the kings of the east are prepared..but what r they preparing for?

Matthew Carl Eastland
The easiest way to understand the prophetic language of Revelation, especially when grand statements like these are made is to look at other similar biblical passages (I Cor 2:13).

My favourite for this kind of thing is Isaiah 13. The trick to this passage is to read verses 2-16 and not outside of that and ask yourself what it means. The things said in many places match almost exactly the same as those used in various parts of Revelation. However, once viewed in context, you understand what they mean.

The huge lesson from that chapter is that you don't need to be looking for some great literal fulfilment of all of the events listed in a prophecy, because the language itself is symbolic to make a point.

Looking at some of the language from Isaiah 13, you have things like God bringing an army together, including from Heaven and with His "sanctified ones" (verses 3-5), destroying the land and the sinners out of the land (v 5 and 9), called the "day of The Lord" (v 6 and 9); the stars of heaven, constellations, and the sun being darkened while the heavens are shaken (v 10 and 13), and punishing the world for its evil (v 11).

However, the entire chapter is about the conquest of Babylon by the Medes and Persians (see verses 1 and 17). None of the events that I just listed happened literally at all, they were all figurative to demonstrate how great and unexpected an event it was.

Charles Page
What of the princes who gather the Kings of the earth to do battle?

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Matthew, the greatness of that event was indicated thus by the Lord in these words, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

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What of the princes who gather the Kings of the earth to do battle?
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Rev 16
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
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"He gathered them" - the pronoun "he" refers the the nearest antecedent, i.e. the Lord who said, "Behold, I come as a thief..." The Lord of Hosts - God Almighty - gathered the kings of the earth and of the whole world to execute His judgment.

He gathered them to a place called Armageddon - "the hill or city of Megiddo" - famous in the OT as the place "for two great disasters, the deaths of Saul and Josiah. Hence in Revelation a place of great slaughter, the scene of a terrible retribution upon the wicked."

The slaughter and destruction of wicked Israel was at hand when John wrote Revelation.
The Lord Jesus gave an indication of the magnitude of the tribulation:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Charles Page
You can say that again!!!

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What's "that"?