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January
4, 2011
Romans
2
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just
before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the
law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law,
are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in
their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the
mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Dear
brethren,
Please
help me with this passage. Give me some answers...
Romans
2
13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law
shall be justified.
14
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things
contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also
bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing
one another;)
In
2:13, Apostle Paul lays down a principle, i.e. "For not the hearers of the
law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Q.
What is the justification spoken of? Legal, vital, or practical?
Q.
How does doing the law justify?
Q.
Is "For not the hearers of the law are just before God" THE SAME AS
SAYING "For the hearers of the law are NOT just before God."
In
2:14 Apostle Paul mentions the Gentiles...
Q.
Is he speaking of ALL Gentiles generally, or is he speaking of those Gentiles
that do demonstrate the principle stated in verse 13?
Q.
Of the Gentiles spoken, why do they do by nature the things contained in the
law, even though they do not have the law?
Q.
What does it mean that these Gentiles "do by nature the things contained
in the law"?
-
Is this a reference to something natural, or something spiritual?
-
If natural, then shouldn't it be true of ALL the Gentiles as well as ALL the
Jews , i.e. the whole human race?
Q.
If Apostle Paul is speaking of ALL Gentiles generally, then aren't those things
spoken by necessity true of every Jew too?
Q.
By nature, are the Gentiles and Jews any different? Aren't all of both
conceived in sin and born in sin?
In
2:15 Apostle Paul speaks of the "work of the law written in their hearts
(the Gentiles who do by nature the things contained in the law)."
Q.
Is this work of the law written in their hearts a reference to something
natural or something spiritual?
Q.
2:15 speaks of these Gentiles' thoughts "excusing one another." To
whom/what does "one another" refer to?
Q.
2:1 says 'Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man' - addressing man generally.
But 2:15 speaks of these Gentiles' thoughts "excusing one another."
How are the two related?
You
may have your own questions. Raise them. We will study together.
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Sing
F Lau
Probably
'condemning or else approving' one another.
I'm
hitting the haystack.
Sing
F Lau
Not
so fast, dude!
Need
to determine first what/who 'one another' refer to!
What
do you say?
Sing
F Lau
Every
bullet must hit a target... so aim well. ZZZZZZZZZZ!
Constanzia
Dyess
In
2:13, Apostle Paul lays down a principle, i.e. "For not the hearers of the
law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
Q.
What is the justification spoken of?
A.
I think its speaking of possibly both time salvation and eternal... Time
salvation because it says 'doers of the law' my interpretation of which means
works. However, the willingness and 'doing' of the law indicate actions of the
Spirit... without God, man can do nothing.
Q.
How does doing the law justify?
A.
Earthly... While we are here on earth, we are rewarded for obedience 🙂
Q.
Is "For not the hearers of the law are just before God" THE SAME AS
SAYING "For the hearers of the law are NOT just before God."
A.
Not by my understanding. I think it means that hearing does not make you
justified either timely or eternally. Some hear without really hearing. Sharing
to those who hear is to share the good news.
In
2:14 Apostle Paul mentions the Gentiles...
Q.
Is he speaking of ALL Gentiles generally, or is he speaking of those Gentiles
that do demonstrate the principle stated in verse 13?
A.
Sounds to me like he is talking about the Gentiles, which have not the law...
currently, does not mean they never will if it is speaking of time salvation 🙂 Could also mean they have just dont know the law for sure but
it is written in their hearts
Q.
Of the Gentiles spoken, why do they do by nature the things contained in the
law, even though they do not have the law?
A.
See previous answer
Q.
What does it mean that these Gentiles "do by nature the things contained
in the law"? Is this a reference to something natural, or something spiritual?
A.
IMO spiritual= already written in their hearts. God lets his people know what
he will by means of the spirit or servant. With man it is impossible but With
God all things are possible.
In
2:15 Apostle Paul speaks of the "work of the law written in their hearts
(the Gentiles who do by nature the things contained in the law)."
Q.
Is this work of the law written in their hearts a reference to something
natural or something spiritual?
A.
Holy Spiritual lol 😉
Q.
2:15 speaks of these Gentiles' thoughts "excusing one another." To
whom/what do "one another" refer to?
A.
could be their thoughts.. i.e. warring in the members
Q.
2:1 says 'Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man' - addressing man generally.
But 2:15 speaks of these Gentiles' thoughts "excusing one another."
How are the two related.
A.
Physical and mental? good questions lol
Van
Quick
Bro.
Sing, I believe our justification is Christ, and Christ was and is certainly a
doer of the law, as he kept the law to a jot and a tittle. He kept the law for
his people. A pharisee or someone else who is self-justified can only be a
hearer of the law. man cannot keep the law on his own merit. Someone like this
may think he is a doer, but there is no justification without Christ. That is
what I get from this passage.
Sing
F Lau
Thank
Van.
Justification
through Christ's keeping the law (legal or forensic justification) is not
raised until chapter 3.
The
justification spoken of here has to relate to the doing of the law. So, it is
more likely evidential in nature. The hearers of the law do not show their
justified state, whereas the doers of the law do.
Keep talking. I am in study mode... trying to understand the passage.
Sing
F Lau
Picture
of chicken - an expression of gratitude to a doer of the law... chicken law, that
is, she lays an egg almost every day! <LOL>
Van
Quick
Hi
Brother Sing. I must go to work, so I must be brief. I liked your response to
me, and I must study this too. Studying the book of James might help in
understanding this passage in Romans.
Sing
F Lau
James
deals with works and faith in the context of EVIDENTIAL justification.
Apostle
Paul in Romans deal with several other aspects of justification:
-
LEGAL justification on the cross by the blood of Jesus Christ.
-
VITAL justification by the free grace of God when LEGAL justification is
applied and made vital and personal.
Sing
F Lau
Q
What is the law?
Most
likely 'moral law'.
