| Please watch the insightful and informative video here: https://youtu.be/DA-AkJzpKmg?si=Md6DwFdiiv04On3C |
(Disclaimer: I do not share the same doctrinal perspective as the speaker in the video, but his demonstration of the creation story deeply embedded in the iconographic words of the Chinese language is spot on.)
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Mark
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Some things are seen by all of creation. Some are seen only by those given spiritual eyes. Some texts leave it difficult to know exactly whom is addressed, but overall, Scripture makes it clear who can know and those who cannot.
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Sing
Matthew Ong, if you can't keep to the subject, hold your peace. Keep to the topic - biblical truth in the Chinese character. That is the subject... put away your machine gun... how many times have I said that!
If there is any part that you disagree with? Please give your reason. Keep to the subject.
You quoted "Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: "
Are they clearly seen by whom?
Who are without excuse... those who suppressed what are clearly seen... or those who acknowledge them?
Sing
Matthew, do you have a poll done on those ancient Chinese?
It would be interesting to see one!
Why are you looking for a 'national level of open repentance..." Are you looking for a national Israel? <LOL>
Sing
The core issue is this: showing the 21st century Chinese heathens (I use this word because I know you love it!) that Christianity is not a foreign religion to the Chinese... that the ancient Chinese did believe the God of the bible, and tha...t point is amply proven from their written language.
Why did the Chinese represent 'righteousness' as a 'lamb' on top of 'me' (first person singular pronoun) in their language? Where did that idea come from? Who revealed to them?
Sing
And please, the subject is. 'Chinese characters and how they relate to the Book of Genesis.'
I have no sympathy for the speaker's doctrine of salvation at all. So, don't even go into that. Save the bullets!!!
Mark
God reveals it to whom He will. That is the salient point. Who knows who and how many qualify as Jews to day either by Scripture or by 'post WWII' qualifications. I don't. I don't think any mortal man does. But God knoweth them that are His.
Mark
Forgive me if I bounded off the topic. I do find it interesting Bro. Sing, and fully within the power of God to do such.
PJ
Mamma taught me some of this in History class!
Sing
Please explain how Gen 11:9 give the Chinese such idea about righteousness - a lamb over me.
Explain your 'hence, God did clearly do what paul said even when paul did not visited china.' I don't understand. Thanks.
Mark
God reveals the knowledge He desires to reveal to all of His Children in varying measures that seem good unto Him. What they do with that knowledge varys as well. But the Lord will still carry home all that are His. And let everyone of them flee from iniquity as becometh children born to light.
Sing
Matthew, So, according to your argument, the whole world would have the same knowledge that 'righteousness' requires a 'lamb over me' - since they are came from the same source... Tower of babel.
You quoted "Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: "
Are clearly seen by whom?
Who are without excuse... those who suppressed what are clearly seen... or those who acknowledge them?
You have NOT answered these questions yet?
Mark
If there is someone with Scripture to fine tune it closer than that, please do let me hear from you.
Mark
I hope to always be ready to learn more.
The word 'desires' was not in my language.
Please quote me. Not quote AT ME.
God does as He deigns to do. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Sing
Matthew, do the sum total of all the evidences in the context of creation inform a man to that 'righteousness' requires a 'lamb over me'? Or is that knowledge a revelation of God to the ancient Chinese? Please don't bring in the commies, they came tooooo late1
Rom 1:21 Because that, when *they knew God*, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
So Matthew, did the ancient Chinese who knew God, as demonstrated in their Chinese character, did they worship the one God of heaven' or did they become vain in their imagination?
Sing
Matthew, can you please demonstrate how these passages exclude the fact that there were God's children among the ancient Chinese. Thanks. What is the basis of your 'doubt'?
Matthew, the knowledge that there is righteousness based on a sacrificial lamb of God's provision over me was already good news for God's children since Adam's time... good news to God's children among the Jews as well as the Gentiles.
Mark
Who can answer such a question???? How many??? God alone knows! Who am I to suggest such are not His???
These verses offer nothing to counter my reasoning.
The Lord knoweth them that are His. Blessed be the name of the Lord, our God and Saviour. He Alone!
I retire, beloved friends. Time to rest.
Sing
Matthew, you might as well conclude that God has no people outside of the Jews - "the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, *above all* people that are upon the face of the earth." That would make the abuse of Scriptures less obvious!
What that passage is declaring is this: the Jews alone were chosen as the vehicle to work out His redemptive purpose. But you abuse it to exclude God's people outside of Israel.
Mark
Every kindred, tongue, tribe, and people pre or post, whatever time considered. Out of all. Those without Christ as aliens are not yet regenerated in some cases. This will not suffice as an answer to all cases............
The very speaking of such in this manner precludes that they are now in a different status does it not?
Mark
"at that time"...............think it through.......
Sing
So tell, what is that CLEAR verse saying?
Mark
At that time "ye" were in one status............now 'ye' are in another. Goodnight or morning Matthew...........zzzzzzzzzzzz must retire now.
Mark
God's 'ye' include all humanity. More often than not. Snoring away.............zzzzzzzzz,
Sing
Continue your sleep talk please, Brother Mark Thomas.
Matthew, in discussion, you must be prepared to answer questions arising from your statements and quotes of Scriptures. If you are not prepared to do so, it is best not to make them.
Also, interact with the point brought up with respect to the statements and quotes you made...
Don't just keep moving, and repeating statements and quotes.
Mark
But ye that comprehend are different to ye that don't..........anyone sentient being the judge................
Mark
Sleep talk says...........who judges scale??? Man or God?
Mark
I have no clue as to status of Chinese who left no witness............who will judge such an absent testimony?? Me?? You?? or God? God be the judge. i dare not.
Sing
Please tell us what Paul is addressing in Tit 3:9.
How does that verse address the subject under consideration?
Was the culture of those ancient Chinese who worshiped the one Supreme Sovereign God of heaven heathenish?
Sniper gun Matthew, sniper gun.
Put away your machine guns that you so love!!!
Sing
Apostle Paul said this Romans 2:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Who are those Gentiles spoken of in verses 14-15?
Are the ancient Chinese who worshipped one Supreme Sovereign God Shang Ti, among the Gentiles spoken of?
Mary
Sing, I have listened to the video and find it most revealing. I have forwarded the web site to two PB gospel ministers - Elders Sonny Pyles & David Pyles. I will be interested in their response and will send to you. Neither is on FB. The video "makes sense" to me.
PJ
Many ancient cultures have these types of stories handed down through the generations. Perhaps at one time they were undefiled, but man's imagination makes them no better with time, but corrupts.
There is truth in a culture's ancient history; this video is proof of that.
Marty
We're sharing this, Bro. Sing! 😊
https://youtu.be/DA-AkJzpKmg?si=Md6DwFdiiv04On3C
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