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Is John 3:16 Prescriptive or Descriptive?
Do you understand the question?
Do you understand the distinction between what is prescriptive and what is descriptive?
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October 24, 2018
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A Greek Scholar and a Village Bumpkin on John
3:16
A Village Bumpkin inquires:
Dear brethren, someone who is proficient in
Greek, could you please parse the various verbs used in John 3:16. I am also
wondering is John 3:16 a declarative statement about salvation or a proposal
or invitation or offer for salvation?
Desiring to learn.
A Greek Scholar replies:
Dear Brother, there are five Aorist verbs and
one present tense participle in this verse. Among the verbs, there are three
indicative moods and two subjunctive moods. The active subject of the first two
Aorist verbs is God. God loved, God gave His Son. God's love for the world is
the cause for God giving. The subject of the third Aorist verb is the believer
(the one believing HE shall not perish).
The indicative mood verbs state a completed act in the past by God - God loved, God gave. The Greek preposition "hina" indicates a purpose clause that grammatically defines the purpose for God's actions. Hence, what God did was for a stated purpose. The subjunctive mood verbs define the purposes "might not perish" but "might have eternal life." Grammatically, the present tense participle introduced by the "hina" preposition defines the single condition for obtaining the two subjunctive verb purposes for God's action.
John 3:16 is a PROVISIONAL ACTION taken by
God for the purpose to obtain one positive and one negative stated purposes
CONDITIONED upon one action by man - believing.
If you think this is poor exegesis then consider the statement Jesus
uses to introduce verse 16. Verse 15 is intended by Christ to be used as a
basis for what he is saying in verse 16.
God PROVIDED Israel with the brazen serpent so that if anyone looked
upon it they MIGHT NOT perish. Again this text indicates PROVISIONAL ACTION by
God based upon one condition (LOOK) in order to possess life and avoid death.
The following verses (vv. 17-21) list reasons
why men will NEVER of their own accord partake of this provision. This determined resistance is the reason
Jesus opens up this section by the need of the NEW BIRTH (vv. 3-7) and the
Sovereign work of the Holy Spirit (v. 8).
I personally believe that John 3:16 states
God's purpose for giving His Son as a PROVISION for the world conditioned upon
believing IN ORDER to obtain life and avoid death. I use it as an invitation
without reserve and yet at the same time I point out the fact that those
listening will never partake of that provision due to their sinful nature which
God must first deal with by the new birth according to His sovereign will.
There is no such thing as unregenerated believers nor regenerated unbelievers. The Greek Grammar in I John 5:1 demands that the new birth and believing are simultaneous actions in regard to chronology but that new birth precedes belief in regard to logic.
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Village Bumpkin replies:
John 3:16
"For God so loved (aorist active
indicative) the world, that he gave (aorist active indicative) his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (present active participle) in him
should not perish (aorist middle subjunctive), but have (present active
subjunctive) everlasting life."
I checked the information here: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jhn/3/16/t_conc_1000016
I may not be Greek proficient, but I am
endowed with a fair share of common sense. Consider your statement:
"John 3:16 is a PROVISIONAL ACTION taken
by God for the purpose to obtain one positive and one negative stated purposes
CONDITIONED upon one action by man - believing."
What is the use of God making such a great
provision of eternal life in His Son Jesus Christ for those dead in trespasses
and sins, who are in enmity against God, and completely incapable of believing?
Didn't Christ state categorically, "Except a man be born again, he
CANNOT... he CANNOT...?" Life precedes the activities of that life; the
giving of eternal life must precede the act of believing." You don't need
any Koine Greek or Classical Chinese to know that, do you?
Common sense tells me that John 3:16 is a
declaration of "God so loved..." that He gives eternal life to sinners
dead in trespasses and sins, and the evidence/manifestation of God having
"so loved" is the believing ones in Jesus Christ.
If God had only offered eternal life,
OBVIOUSLY to those don't have eternal life yet, to those dead in trespasses and
sins, calling them to believe in order to have eternal life, THEN God had NOT
loved at all, much less "so loved." It is the reverse, offering life
to the dead on the condition that the dead perform an act to get that life IS A
WICKED DEED, it is mocking the dead, it is taunting the dead, it is not loving,
it is cruel.
What if I tell you, "whoever eats have
life," will you take it as a statement of fact about the whoever eats, or
will you take it as an offer of life to the dead on the condition that he, the
dead, eats?
HOW STUPID [i.e. lacking common sense] CAN
ONE GETS!
Ante Zivkovic
Lol. Now no longer can they even determine is
something is prescriptive or descriptive, but rather, it’s both. They do this
with everything. New birth precedes believing, yet it is simultaneous. But I
see this stupidity outside Christianity too.