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Read the good article here: http://pbgrace.org/isolate.htm
Many elect may not be reached with the gospel - either due the lack of the gospel ministry or because of the inability to be outwardly called - yet NOT a single ONE is NOT reached with eternal life - at God's appointed and approved time, by the sovereign activity of regeneration by the Spirit of God, according to the will of the Father, and based on the merits of Christ's redemptive work.
The gospel regenerationists have a massive problem in their bosom!!!
May the Lord open their eyes to see it, and let it haunts them till their turn from their errors.
John 3:8 - The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
The eternal life-giving wind of the Spirit of God blows EVEN in places that no preachers have ever heard of, much less trod!!! Now, that's gospel. This fact alone will guarantee - "to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed."
No farmer is so stupid (i.e. lacking common sense) to believe that his presence or absence determines the activity of the wind blowing on his farm. But so many preachers are deceived and deluded to INSIST that unless they are present and preaching their (i.e. not "the") gospel, the Spirit of God is impotent to execute His divine work of regeneration.
According to this fable, logically many elect will have no hope of being regenerated whatsoever, and be left to perish in their native state death and damnation. The peddlers of such fable will retort will another fable of the "norm and exception" - the Spirit ordinarily regenerated with THEIR preaching, but extraordinarily regenerate without their preaching!
However in this - they have just repudiated the plain statement of Christ in John 3:8 stated above, namely, "
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
SO IS EVERY ONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT.
Did you read that? Do you believe Christ plain words?
How many ways did Christ say His elect are born again?
Let Christ be true, and every man a liar who contradicts Him.
Not being rude, just putting the matter simply, and plainly.
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Ron commented, and the following exchanges took place:
Ron
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Sing F Lau
The wickedness of men, the many failures of preachers, or the inabilities of the elect of God themselves DO NOT in any way hinder their regeneration unto eternal life at God's own appointed and approved time.
Ron
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Sing F Lau
Ronald, don't just quote Scriptures.
Tell us PLAINLY what the those Scriptures say.
With all due respect, the devil quotes better than you do, and I'm not impressed with him at all.
Tell us PLAINLY what the those Scriptures say.
With all due respect, the devil quotes better than you do, and I'm not impressed with him at all.
Ron
He
elect some, rejected others. but those rejected by God before the world
begun, some are abandoned from the gospel and some heard and rejected
the gospel because they cannot able to accept it.
But
despite of all, as elect born from above, I need to obey my Lord to
preach the gospel around the world even there is rejected people. Mat
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given
unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Sing F Lau
"He
elect some, rejected others. but those rejected by God before the world
begun, some are abandoned from the gospel and some heard and rejected
the gospel because they cannot able to accept it."
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Think through what you have written, and say it again before I show you that it is full of confusion and inconsistencies. THANKS.
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Think through what you have written, and say it again before I show you that it is full of confusion and inconsistencies. THANKS.
Ron
I'll
never confuse about it. I am a believer of unconditional election and
the same time I am obeying my God through Jesus Christ.
There are places that already judge by physical death because of their sins before the arrival by the Missionaries of God.
Sing F Lau
If you are never confused, tell us what is the ISSUE of this thread, and what are the issues you are raising?
If you can't stick to the issue here, RAVE somewhere else. Thanks.
Since you are never confused, I will not waste time showing you your confusions.
If you can't stick to the issue here, RAVE somewhere else. Thanks.
Since you are never confused, I will not waste time showing you your confusions.
Ron
Cannot tell you the issue because I am not confused. I have no problem in both side.
Sing F Lau
If you can't tell us the ISSUE, then why are you raving away like that???
And who is having problem with what, in whose side?
And who is having problem with what, in whose side?
Sing F Lau
Joh
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of
the only begotten Son of God.
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Who is he that believeth not? Who is warned - a child of God, or one whom you designated as "rejected"?
Who has an obligation to believe, and believe what?
Do those whom God did not choose, Christ did not die for, still dead in trespasses and sins - does God require them to believe? If yes, believe what?
WHO is he that if believes not is condemned already? And condemned in what sense?
It is time to move beyond cheap "Missionary" shibboleths!
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Who is he that believeth not? Who is warned - a child of God, or one whom you designated as "rejected"?
Who has an obligation to believe, and believe what?
Do those whom God did not choose, Christ did not die for, still dead in trespasses and sins - does God require them to believe? If yes, believe what?
WHO is he that if believes not is condemned already? And condemned in what sense?
It is time to move beyond cheap "Missionary" shibboleths!
Sing F Lau
Joh
3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that
believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth
on him.
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"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life" - this is a statement of fact, declaring the plain fact that a man who believes on the Son DOES SO because he POSSESSES everlasting. It is NOT a statement of offer, offering everlasting life to those who will believe.
It is like a simple statement of fact - he who eats has life. It is not offering life to the lifeless that if he will eat, he will obtain life.
"and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life" - who is under divine obligation to believe on the Son? Only those who are redeemed by Him, and are His. All such are under divine obligation to believe on the truth of their redemption in the Son of God.
God's children, those elect freely and sovereignly regenerated and given eternal life, who believe not shall not see life... shall not experience the abundance of life through the saving knowledge of Christ their Saviour!
God's children who believe not on the Son their Saviour are under the hot His displeasure.
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"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life" - this is a statement of fact, declaring the plain fact that a man who believes on the Son DOES SO because he POSSESSES everlasting. It is NOT a statement of offer, offering everlasting life to those who will believe.
It is like a simple statement of fact - he who eats has life. It is not offering life to the lifeless that if he will eat, he will obtain life.
"and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life" - who is under divine obligation to believe on the Son? Only those who are redeemed by Him, and are His. All such are under divine obligation to believe on the truth of their redemption in the Son of God.
God's children, those elect freely and sovereignly regenerated and given eternal life, who believe not shall not see life... shall not experience the abundance of life through the saving knowledge of Christ their Saviour!
God's children who believe not on the Son their Saviour are under the hot His displeasure.
Sing F Lau
"He
elect some, rejected others. but those rejected by God before the world
begun, some are abandoned from the gospel and some heard and rejected
the gospel because they cannot able to accept it."
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There are lots of confusion here:
God did chose many. He rejected none. He BY-PASSED them. They rejected God and brought death and condemnation to themselves. God left them to their just desert.
Of those that were bypassed, the gospel was NEVER intended for them; the gospel did not have them in view; the gospel has no relevance to them.
So, they cannot be said to be abandoned from the gospel.
The gospel, the good news of what God has done to save His chosen people are solely and wholly intended for, and has relevance to God's elect alone. The gospel has NO REFERENCE to those by-passed by God, and left in their sin and condemnation.
So, they cannot be said to have rejected the gospel.
Since food is for the living, and was never intended for the dead (even though superstitious Chinese love offering delicious roast pigs to their dead!!!) it is lacking common sense (i.e. stew pig!) to say the dead rejected the food, or to say that the dead were abandoned from the distribution of the food.
The only bit that has some truth in it, "they cannot able to accept it" - but even that is OUT of context!
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There are lots of confusion here:
God did chose many. He rejected none. He BY-PASSED them. They rejected God and brought death and condemnation to themselves. God left them to their just desert.
Of those that were bypassed, the gospel was NEVER intended for them; the gospel did not have them in view; the gospel has no relevance to them.
So, they cannot be said to be abandoned from the gospel.
The gospel, the good news of what God has done to save His chosen people are solely and wholly intended for, and has relevance to God's elect alone. The gospel has NO REFERENCE to those by-passed by God, and left in their sin and condemnation.
So, they cannot be said to have rejected the gospel.
Since food is for the living, and was never intended for the dead (even though superstitious Chinese love offering delicious roast pigs to their dead!!!) it is lacking common sense (i.e. stew pig!) to say the dead rejected the food, or to say that the dead were abandoned from the distribution of the food.
The only bit that has some truth in it, "they cannot able to accept it" - but even that is OUT of context!
Sing F Lau
Mat
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
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Unto whom of all nations did the Lord instruct His apostles to TEACH, and BAPTIZE in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost? Those whom the Father chosen and given to Christ and for whom Christ redeemed, OR those bypassed by God?
Who are capable of being taught by the apostles and baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?
God's children that are already there by the free and sovereign regenerating work of the Spirit of God, or those that are still in their native state of sin and death?
Just WHO did the Lord Jesus had in mind when He give that command to the Apostle?
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Unto whom of all nations did the Lord instruct His apostles to TEACH, and BAPTIZE in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost? Those whom the Father chosen and given to Christ and for whom Christ redeemed, OR those bypassed by God?
Who are capable of being taught by the apostles and baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?
God's children that are already there by the free and sovereign regenerating work of the Spirit of God, or those that are still in their native state of sin and death?
Just WHO did the Lord Jesus had in mind when He give that command to the Apostle?
Charles
When
God says he has a remnant of people these people on the Andaman Islands
maybe those people. They are holy elect and precious in His sight.
They should not be disturbed by us and left to the Holy Spirit to raise
up preachers to go. The Lord will convert the Pagans when He is ready
to convert them!
Have we heard that before?
Have we heard that before?
Sing F Lau
The
biblical concept of remnant refers to the MINORITY who are faithful in
contrast to the MAJORITY who are unfaithful among His people. His elect
who are still unconverted are not under the purview of the remnant
concept.
That's my understanding - so I may be wrong! (with that, I'm covering my backside!
------That's my understanding - so I may be wrong! (with that, I'm covering my backside!
