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June 17, 2013
'Eternal
redemption assuredly secured a man's deliverance from the lake of fire...
But
does it necessarily deliver him from
his time in hell!'
I'm
only inquiring!
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Anyone who has read the Scriptures enough will acknowledge that Jesus Himself
spoke a great deal on hell, and gave very solemn warnings against ending up in
hell.
A
simple sample:
Mt
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his
brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou
fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
(There
are actions that will put a man in danger of hell fire! Who is Christ
addressing here? Does this apply to Christ's redeemed people?)
Mt
10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(There
is One who can destroy both soul and body in hell! Who is Christ addressing
here? Does this apply to Christ's redeemed people?)
Mt
18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is
better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to
be cast into hell fire.
(There
are actions that will put a man in danger of hell fire! Who is Christ
addressing here? Does this apply to Christ's redeemed people?)
Re
1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,
Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
(What
is the significance of Christ having the keys of hell and death?)
A
simple inquiry:
a.
Who was Jesus warning against hell: His redeemed people, or those whom He has
bypassed?
-
If the former, doesn't it imply that the danger of His redeemed people ending
up in hell is a harsh reality? If it is claimed that it is impossible for His
redeemed people to ever end up in hell, then what is the relevance of His
solemn warnings to them?
-
If the latter, is Jesus teaching that it is possible that the non-redeemed can
escape hell by some actions on their part? Is Jesus teaching eternal salvation
by works then?
A
simple affirmation:
Kindly
note: None of all that are redeemed by Christ will ever end up in the
everlasting lake of fire. Christ's eternal redemption secured eternal glory for every one of the redeemed; none will end up in the lake of fire. All whose names
are written in the Book of life will not end up in the lake of fire.
This
is not the same as saying that none of them will end up in hell temporarily before
their assured glorification at the resurrection.
Let's
open the Scriptures, and learn together to rightly divide the word of truth
together! Thanks. I don't need your opinions, and you don't need mine. We need
the plain revelation of the Scriptures.
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30
comments
Dallas
Eaton II
Amen.
May I share this?
Sing
F Lau
Everything
you can see is for the whole world to see and consider!
Dallas
Eaton II
thank
you Brother Sing.
Adam
Wells
Good
questions.
Dallas
Eaton II
I
would agree with that Brother Julius. I would make a distinction between Hell,
that is as in Death and Hell and the Lake of Fire. Death and Hell are to be
cast into the Lake of Fire. What many people understand to be 'eternal Hell' is
really the lake of fire where even the imagined dominion of Satan (imagined
among many as his being a ruler of the condemned in Hell) is cast into for
eternal torment.
[A Julius has deleted some of his comments!]
Sing
F Lau
Julius,
I'm just wondering if there is such a thing as eternal hell? Could you kindly
demonstrate to us that it is not just your own opinion but plainly taught in
the Scriptures, please. THANK YOU.
Sing
F Lau
Julius,
I don't have time for games... neither word nor sound games!
You
said, "There is eternal hell and a hell on this earth."
I
request, show such OPINIONS from the Scriptures.
Thanks.
Julius
Stewart
OK
I fixed it for you. I deleted all my comments since they had no scriptural
viability. Good day!
Sing
F Lau.
Julius,
you are just shameless.
You
made some assertions, I requested you for Scriptural proof, and you throw a tantrum!
You don't need to fix anything for me! Fix your fickle mindedness!
If you were sincere, you should leave those comments as they are... so that others won't repeat the same fable without biblical support!
Julius
Stewart
You
are right Sing. I am wrong. I can't do anything right. Please forgive me. I
will no longer bother you with any of my assumptions or comments.
Sing
F Lau
Who
cares whether you or I am right??? If that's what you are concerned about, this
is not the right place for you. We want to know what the Scriptures say. A man is
free to say what he wants... we want Scriptures to back up what a man claims...
otherwise it is just his opinions!!!
Sing
F Lau
Now
give your opinions some worth that they are based on Scriptures... "There
is eternal hell and a hell on this earth."
Sing
F Lau
Please
tell us how have your three comments above have in any way proven that hell is
eternal?
Make
sure you don't work from phone and drive at the same time... a speedy way to
hell! <LOL>
Julius
Stewart
uncle!
I delete it again. Have a nice life Sing!
Julius
Stewart
No
worries for me I guess because in your estimation hell is not eternal. I guess
it's just temporary both in time and eternity.
Sing
F Lau
Poor
fickle double-minded Julius! Don't waste your time if you don't intend to help
us better understand the Scriptures. There is no need for you to guess what I
believe. That would be toooo busybody as well as foolish of you. I'm capable of
stating plainly what I do believe. State what you believe and show us that it
is from the Scriptures. Anything else is irrelevant.
Julius
Stewart
So
you deny the eternal sonship of Christ and the eternal hell?
Sing
F Lau
If
you desire to know what I believe about eternal sonship of Christ, go to the
relevant articles in the blog to read it. If you want to know what I believe
about hell and the lake of fire, you can linger on and behave like a student of
God's word, and we can study together.
Julius
Stewart
I
have read it. You deny both.
Julius
Stewart
Yes
or no. Do you deny both?
Sing
F Lau
And
just what do I believe, may I ask?
Beware
of bearing false witness.
I
know you are annoyed because I say that you are acting like a fickle double-minded lad!!! Why should I entertain a fickle-minded lad like you?
Julius
Stewart
It's
a yes or no question. Now who is fickle?
Sing
F Lau
Rev
20: 11
¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the
earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead
were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to
their works.
13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up
the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their
works.
14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake
of fire.
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[The
activities are all described in the prophetic past tense to indicate their
absolute certainty of coming to the past... they are as good as has happened...
accomplished fact. God's sovereignty and immutability guarantee these.]
Their
actual fulfilment is yet in the future... at Christ's return to judge the
world.
A
few observations from this 5-verses paragraph:
i.
The momentous events described here shall occur at the end of time... at the
threshold of eternity when the begotten Son of the eternal God shall sit upon
His great white throne.
ii.
Death and hell shall deliver up the dead in them at the end of time.
-
Death and hell shall be emptied of their captives. None shall remain in death
or hell anymore after that. Therefore, hell shall be emptied, and discarded.
- Hell's temporal/timely function shall cease at the end of time. At the end of
time, hell shall have served its purpose.
-
The EMPTIED death and hell shall be tossed into the lake of fire.
iii.
Those delivered up by death and hell shall be judged every man according to
their works.
iv.
All those dead delivered up by death and hell whose names are not written in
the Book of life shall be cast into the lake of fire.
-
Those dead delivered up by death and hell whose names are found written in the
Book of life shall not be cast into the lake of fire.
v.
Verse 15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast
into the lake of fire" obviously implies, in context, that of all those
dead delivered up by death and hell, there are those whose names are written in
the book of life, and others not written in the book of life.
Now, your turn to speak from the Scriptures.
Julius
Stewart
Yes
or no?
Julius
Stewart
Regardless
the lake of fire as you have shown in your understanding or interpretation is a
place of final destruction. Will that destruction continue for eternity? Is it
an eternal ongoing forever place of hell and destruction. Yes or no?
Sing
F Lau
Yes,
Julius Stewart is a fickled double-minded lad; and no, he is not a good student
of the Bible! <LOL> How about that for a yes and no answer? Ya, I sure
love goading you a wee bit!!!
Remember,
you are a guest here! If you want to study the Scriptures, you are welcome to stay.
If you want to study the subject of the sonship of Jesus Christ, start a thread somewhere, and I may join in.
Julius
Stewart
You
will not answer the question. You made the jump to this site because Dallas
copied your post. I deleted you Sing! Know the facts man. You will not answer
the question. Not me.
Sing
F Lau
Julius,
you are foolish smart aleck... you have already publicly accused me of denying
eternal hell (in your understanding of eternal torment), why are you asking me
something on which you have declared your judgment? You pretend to be able to
read my mind on the matter even before I have expressed my understanding!
Sing
F Lau
I
have changed the security setting of this thread from "Public" to
"Friends Only." I hope this will get rid of that little pesky raving
PB lad!!!
Julius
said I made the jump to this site because Dallas copied my post!!!
I
don't know what site he is about!
OK.
Julius wants me to give credit to Dallas for whatever reason I know not.
Thanks,
Dallas.
Sing
F Lau
There
is ONE BASIC presupposition in all of those warnings on hell by the Lord Jesus
Christ
Hell
can be avoided...
Hell
is to be avoided by God's children.
And
hell is to be avoided by the effort and conduct of God's children.
Christ
alone has delivered God's people from the lake of fire by His work of eternal
redemption!
To
the non-elect, those not redeemed by Jesus Christ, hell, as well as the lake of
fire CANNOT POSSIBLY be avoided.
Rev
20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast
into the lake of fire."
