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| What would you add to the chain for your eternal salvation? Are God's activities of foreknowing, predestination, effectual calling, justification and glorification enough to save you to the uttermost? |
Romans
8:29 ¶ "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed
to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30
Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called,
them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
Question:
Why is there no mention about regeneration, sanctification, adoption, gospel
preaching, hearing, faith and repentance, etc, etc... some of the MANY links
that the Calvinists and Arminians alike insist must be added onto the five-link
chain, and that such are necessary for eternal salvation?
Tell
us if you can stay on the subject. Thanks
The
picture shows two distinct and separate chains... the one on top represents
eternal salvation, and the other represents temporal salvation.
Keep
them apart, and you have pure monergism - eternal salvation by divine free grace
alone.
Mix
them together, and you get pure synergism... divine grace PLUS human works.
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Bill
Taylor
I
believe that regeneration, sanctification, and adoption are effected by His
call (hence it is often stated as effectual calling.) Gospel preaching,
hearing, faith, and repentance are timely benefits of God's eternal work. They
are not part of the chain, but are "pulled" by the chain with its
five links of God's foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, and
glorification.
Robert
E Griffin
Foolish
error to believe one verse or one passage about our eternal salvation is
"comprehensive" or covers every point.
Some
passages just say "faith". Or just say "repent". Does that
mean that this one thing totally summarizes salvation? Of course not.
We
put ALL the Word's teaching together and come up with truth. To suck just one
word/verse/passage and make a whole doctrinal position from it is foolish.
End
up like Catholics and false views on Mary or Cruisematics and false views on
the Spirit. Can't do it. Have to put the revealed Word together to get the
truth!
Sing
F Lau
Effectual
call: "Those
whom God hath predestined unto life, He is pleased in His appointed and
accepted time, effectually to call,(1) by His Word and Spirit, out of that
state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by
Jesus Christ..."
Calling
an elect out of his native state of sin and death to that of grace and
salvation requires these sovereign activities of the TRIUNE God: justification by grace,
regeneration, adoption, and bestowing the gift of the Holy Spirit to dwell in
the elect effectually called.
Calling
an elect out of his native state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation
NECESSARILY requires ALL those divine activities...
Once
effectual call to grace and salvation in Jesus Christ, he is PERFECTLY fitted
for eternal glory.... absolutely NOTHING more is needed... THAT IS, for eternal
salvation.
It
was purposed by God, accomplished by Christ, and applied by the Holy Spirit...
it is finished... it is complete... He also glorified!
Bill
Taylor
This
verse is perfectly in context of the fullness of Romans 8, and does indeed
perfectly describe the surety of our eternal salvation.
Sing
F Lau
Wise
Robert E Griffin, try squeezing one or two links of your choice into the 5-link
chain of Romans 8:29-30 all you can. Go, give it a real gooooood try.
If
you can't, don't speak the way you do.
Robert
E Griffin
Get
a grip Sing. You seem to have missed the simple fact that NOT ALL of God's
teaching on salvation fit in one-two verses.
Read
the WHOLE NT to understand salvation, not a verse from Romans.
Johnny
Davis
I
agree with you, Sing, but I will answer your question. THEY say, that you have
to take the bible as a whole, not one scripture alone, and the combination of
scriptures, reveal the REQUIREMENT of salvation. And, THEY claim that every
word in scripture, aplies to them, in exactly the same way, as to the people it
was written, even if in a different time and place, with no thought to context.
And THEY say, that THEY have the only truth, THEY are going to heaven, THEY are
the only Christians, and all others are going to hell. Personally, I cannot
figure how any reasonable, truth seeking person, can view scripture that way.
Some say THEY are ungodly. I say, THEY sin, just as me, and as believers, THEY
are saved, just like me. THEY are forgiven. THEY are Christians, as well. Let
me know, if I agree with you, becuase m,y words in English, are not understood.
Nothing I say, is in disagreement.
Sing
F Lau
Wise
Robert E Griffin, tell us what is still lacking in God's free and sovereign
activities for the ETERNAL SALVATION of those predestinated, Rom 8:29-30. If
there is anything lacking, it would be VERY EASY for you to point out. So, do
us a favor... state what is lacking.
I
fear you have not come to grip with the distinction between ETERNAL SALVATION
by God's free grace alone (as in Rom 8:29-30) and TEMPORAL SALVATION that
requires many cooperative/responsive activities of God's children.
Go, find that handle, and see if you can grip it! <lol>
Sing
F Lau
The
old school Baptists summarised the truth in this manner:
"1.
Those whom God hath predestined unto life, He is pleased in His appointed and
accepted time, effectually to call,(1) by His Word and Spirit, out of that
state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by
Jesus Christ..." (1689.10.1)
1.
Those whom God effectually calleth, He also freely justifieth, (1689.11.1)
1.
All those that are justified, God vouchsafed, in and for the sake of His only
Son Jesus Christ, to make partakers of the grace of adoption (1689.12.1)
1.
They who are united to Christ, effectually called, and regenerated... (1689.13)
The
above are the first statements from 1689.11-14... stating the truth that
effectual call out of the native state of sin and death to grace and salvation
involves justification, regeneration and adoption - SIMULTANEOUSLY, but in that
logical order.
The
effectual call ONCE for all sanctified - separated the elect from the state of
sin and death to that of grace and eternal life. Theologians term this as the
'definitive sanctification' in distinction from the ongoing practical
sanctification throughout life on earth.
Romans
5;18 tells us the justification is justification of life in contrast to the
condemnation of death. Here it is...
"Therefore
as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation [of death];
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto
JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE."
Justification necessarily involves regeneration unto life because justification is the application of Christ's righteousness to an elect, thus giving divine warrant for the Holy Spirit to impart eternal life based on the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Regeneration of eternal life necessarily involves the adoption of the regenerated into God's family.
Sing
F Lau
All
these divine activities - foreknowing, predestinating, effectual calling,
justifying and glorifying - ENCOMPASS all that are necessary for the eternal
salvation of God's elect.
The
extent to which this is understood indicates the extend to which salvation by
free grace alone is truly understood.
All
those who crave to add a few more links to the 5-link chain betray their
ignorance and rejection of the doctrine of salvation by God's grace alone!
