Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Tuesday, August 16, 2022

Where is it held today?

From: sing 
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:51:44 +0800
To: Ipoh East Church - Loh, Tan, Lee
Cc: Edmund
Subject: Where is it held today? Don Fortner - (US)

 Dear Brother Lee,
You asked the following (and I am mighty glad you had asked...)
<<Maybe I can ask, historically and in today's context where does this view come from and where is it held today?>> 

I wrote to find out from Don Fortner - Pastor of Grace Baptist Church of Danville, KY - a non Primitive Baptist Church. His website is <www.donfortner.com>

From: sing
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:03:44 +0800
To: Don Fortner
Subject: Where is it held today?

Dear Brother Don,
Please permit me to make an inquiry. I visited your website and noted the churches listed in the Links. Do they all hold to the same view on justification and faith as expressed in your article 'What Does It Mean To Be Reformed?' - i.e. Faith in Christ is the result, not the condition of justification. I believe this is the teaching of the Scriptures, but I am facing great opposition in this corner of the Lord's vineyard.

I asked because a brother inquired what churches and groups of churches are there - historically, and at present - that hold to that view of justification. At least I know that Grace Baptist Church of Danville does.

Are there other groups of churches that hold to this biblical view of justification?

I would be very grateful for some information on this.

sing
far east.
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From: Don Fortner
Reply-To: "Don Fortner"
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:30:46 -0400
To: "sing" 
Subject: Where is it held today?

Bro. Sing,
It is difficult to say what a "group" believes, because various individuals
within the group may differ greatly, though holding to the same creed. But the English Strict and  Particular Baptist (and others)  historically understood and taught that faith is the result (not the instrumental cause) of justification in Christ.

So, too, did...
John Gill
John Brine
John Owen
Thomas Manton
Augustus Toplady
John Bunyan
C. H. Spurgeon
J. P. Boyce
Jonathan Edwards
George Whitefield
William Gadsby
William Huntington
John L. Dagg

And a host of others.

Where is the church you pastor? Tell me a little about yourself.

Don
Reply to don@donfortner.com

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From: sing 
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:12:46 +0800
To: Don & Shelby  Fortner
Subject: Where is it held today?

Brother Don,
Thank you for affirming that part of my inquiry. I did read in your tract this statement, 'When you lay this tract down, I want you to know precisely why we refuse to practice these things, believe them, or participate in any way with those who do.' So, I expected the answer, but just want to make sure.

Are there other baptist churches or groups of baptist churches that hold to the same biblical doctrine of justification - historically, and today?

I know you are very busy, but please spare a few moments to help me with my inquiry.

sing
Sungai Dua Church (1689 Free Grace Baptist)
Penang, Malaysia

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 on 30.08.05 7:57 AM, Don Fortner at don@donfortner.com wrote:

Bro. Sing, 
So far as I know (and I think I do) all the churches and pastors linked to
www.donfortner.com fully believe and teach the doctrine of Holy Scripture concerning justification.

Don