Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Wednesday, February 10, 2016

Mighty men... men of renown - Gen 6:4

The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Who were those giants? 
Where did they come from? 
When did they start appearing? 
What is the reference to "in those days"? 
What was the giants' relationship with the union between the sons of God and the daughters of men? 
How were those giants related to the "mighty men which were of old, men of renown"?
What were they mighty for? What were they renowned for?
These are some questions that need plain answers. More is asked below.

What are your answers to them?


Does the union between a man and a woman, of whatever religious mix, produce giant offspring, man of enormous size? Is that what the passage says?

Verse 3-5
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

"And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man..."
These words indicate that the LORD was completely aware of what the sons of God had done even before any evil effects of their activities have manifested themselves. The Spirit of God had been contending and restraining the evil effects of the fall in the garden of Eden - for more than 15 centuries. The union between the "sons of God" and the daughters of men had set into motion a completely new epoch of moral degeneration. The time for that divine providence of restraining men in their depravity is ending. The effects of the strange union will be left to manifest themselves. The result is stated plainly in Gen 6:5 - the universal, and total moral corruption of man, "the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Man's end has been determined. Destruction will come.

"... for that he ALSO is flesh": he STILL is flesh despite the union with the sons of God, the spirit beings that took upon themselves flesh. The lifespan of man, which was considerably longer, was divinely shortened and reduced to a hundred and twenty years! Union with these sons of God (the spirit beings that took upon themselves flesh) brought destruction. 

It's only through union with the only begotten Son of God - the eternal Word made flesh, 
Lord Jesus Christ -  that the descendants of Adam are turned into the children of God and received eternal life. 

The sons of God brought destruction BUT the Son of God brought redemption.

The sons of God were spirit beings who took upon themselves human nature, who trespassed and left their own habitation, they kept not their NATIVE ESTATE in the spirit realm, in their rebellion against God.

The Son of God was the eternal Word (also spirit Being) made flesh by God; He took on human nature according to God's purpose, in order to execute the work of redemption of His people.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

"There were giants in the earth in those days.... when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men."
Who were those giants?
Where did they come from?
When did they start appearing?
What is the reference to "in those days"?
What was their relationship with the union between the sons of God and the daughters of men?
How were those giants related to the "mighty men which were of old, men of renown"?
These are some questions that need plain answers. What are your answers?

Men had been procreating for more than 1500 years and there were no giant offspring, zilch! There was no abnormality recorded for us. However, in those days when the "sons of God" came into the daughters of men, there were giants. The fallen angels who took upon themselves human flesh were no ordinary humans. They were giants, perhaps their physique was like that of Saul described in 1 Sam 9:12. Were they giants in a literal sense because of their superhuman size, or giants in a figurative sense because of their unusual power and immense influence? The Scriptures describe them as "mighty men which were of old, men of renown." In other words, they were giants because of their exceptional power and immense influence upon that generation. I read this at the Blue Letter Bible, נְפִיל nᵉphîyl, nef-eel'; or נְפִל nᵉphil; from H5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:—giant; thus powerful and intimidating.

There were also giants after that - after what? AFTER those days when the "sons of God" had come in unto the daughters of men. There were no giants BEFORE those days came to pass. The union of the sons of men and the daughters of men for 1500+ years had not produced any giants. The connection is obvious, the giants AFTER those days were the offspring of the union of the "sons of God" (who themselves were giants) and the daughters of men. Giants beget giants, and they universally and wholly corrupted the whole human race in that generation. All those "giants" were destroyed in the flood. The offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men were the giants "AFTER THAT" - and THE SAME" became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5. And God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that, every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

This is God's own diagnosis and assessment. He speaks the truth, the exact truth. He is not given to exaggeration like men do, nor understate the fact of the situation.

In what sense were they mighty men, men of renown? The effect of the immense influence by those giants - mighty men which were of old, men of renown - is stated in these words, "the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Gen 6:5. Many attempts to dismiss the enormity described by these plain words and insist that the world in the 21st century is like that! No matter how one wants to EXAGGERATE the evils of the present 21st-century generation and UNDERSTATE the condition in Gen 6:5, there is just no way to equate the condition described there to another period in the history of man. Take note of the universality (affecting the whole human race), and the completeness (the evil continually) of the moral corruption described.

Many choose to believe that it is the union between godly men of the elect line and the ungodly women of the non-elect line that produced literal giants! Horrid mutation took place, they explain. In addition, such a union produced mighty men, men of renown. Perhaps they may like to explain themselves a bit.

These sons of God brought destruction upon the world BUT the Son of God brought redemption for His people.

The sons of God were spirit beings who took upon themselves human nature, who trespassed, who left their own habitation, they kept not their NATIVE ESTATE in the spirit realm, in their rebellion against God.

The Son of God was the eternal Word (also spirit Being) made flesh by God; He took on human nature according to God's purpose, in order to execute the work of redemption of His people.

Read here for Gen 6:1, and Gen 6:2.
1 http://things-new-and-old.blogspot.my/2016/02/and-it-came-to-pass-after-15-long.html
2 http://things-new-and-old.blogspot.my/2016/02/they-saw-that-daughters-of-men-were-fair.html