Apostle
Paul solemnly reminded Timothy,
"Take
heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this
thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." 1Tim 4:16
How,
and in what sense will the activities of Timothy save himself and them that sit
under his ministry? Aren't they saved by God yet?
Please
remember the simple fact the same word 'save' applies to both parties, Timothy
the minister and those under his ministry.
How
shall a faithful ministry both save the minister and those that hear him?
Apostle
Paul also said some are "ever learning, and never able to come to the
knowledge of the truth." 2Tim 3:7. Perhaps one reason is this: some are
ever pulpiteering and sermonizing but fail to preach the gospel truths. Aren't
they two sides of the same coin?
Are
you sitting under a ministry that saves you or one that destroys you? Make a
wise choice. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
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Comments
Victorio
Amen.
Dan
Some
say that Conditional Time Salvation was “unheard of in Christendom prior to the
PBs of the last 150 years” but the Apostle Paul taught Conditional Time
Salvation to Timothy in the 1st century and codifies it in scripture.
Understanding this is a requirement for right division.
Jackson
Dan, the folks who say that also generally believe that no Baptists existed
until after the Reformation and ignore the existence of the Waldenes,
Donatists, Anabaptists, etc. entirely. Is there an “ad historium” argument?
History’s always written by and about the winners after all.
Rayburn
Dan, Amen! The key for understanding and rightly dividing the word of truth
is the answer. There is no paradox in the God inspired scripture. That being
true, there are two salvation's. First is eternal by God's choice before
earthly creation, and the second, misunderstood by so very many, is the one to
be worked out by man leading to peace or anguish depending on self. So many
just skim over a cheery picked verse or two and reach/preach the wrong
conclusion.
Dan
Ray:
Amen! The key for understanding and rightly dividing the word of truth is the
answer.
Dan:
Yes. When it comes to rightly dividing “salvation” it is absolutely
indispensable.
Ray:
There is no paradox in the God inspired scripture.
Dan:
Completely agree. There are rhetorical paradoxes (plays on words, "let the
dead bury their dead", etc.) but not logical paradoxes. That is a MAJOR
point of contention between PBs and most modern Calvinists who rely on
“antimony” (i.e., logical paradoxes/contradictions) to “explain” the evident
logical inconsistencies in their theology.
Ray:
That being true, there are two salvation's. First is eternal by God's choice
before earthly creation, and the second, misunderstood by so very many, is the
one to be worked out by man leading to peace or anguish depending on self.
Dan:
Yes. Eternal salvation from the everlasting punishment for sin and temporal
salvation from this untoward generation that is experienced to the extent that
the regenerate seek God and live in accordance to his precepts. The former is
the same for all of God’s elect, the latter greatly varied based upon the
degree to which one submits to doing their reasonable service to God. In the
former Daniel and Lot experience all of the same covenantal benefits, in the
latter Lot’s life was riddled with consequences that Daniel’s life avoided.
Ray:
So many just skim over a cheery picked verse or two and reach/preach the wrong
conclusion.
Dan:
Truth.
Jackson
Cherry
picking is very common in Christendom regarding “save”, “saved”, “salvation”
and “kingdom of God” verses in Scripture. The mast majority of mainstream
Christian camps take the vast majority of those verses, particularly in Romans
10 (aka the “Roman Road”), to be eternal, which creates a schism between Gods
sovereignty and man’s responsibility. Old line Primitive Baptists solve this
schism by the simple logic of ascribing eternal salvation solely to God and
acknowledging that man must believe, repent and obey for deliverance from the
dark sin, error, heresy and confusion of this world to righteousness peace and
joy in the Holy Ghost. We call this “temporal/time salvation”. This concept put
everything into balance for me as a teenager and new believer and caused me to
stray from any and all Arminian teaching of the SBC and also many mainline
Calvinist ideas of evangelism particularly gospel regeneration. Theologians
often make the simple complex and the complex simple. Arminians doctrine
focuses on man’s responsibility and only acknowledges Gods sovereignty in word
only, but assert that he ultimately is too benevolent to force his hand on a
sinners soul, honoring the will of man. Calvinists doctrine focuses on an
affirmation of original sin, election, predestination, and eternal security,
thus realizing Gods sovereignty in eternal salvation but acknowledges man’s responsibility
still playing a part, in that it must come to pass such as crops in the rain.
Meaning if God so sends the rain on a sinner, he will bear fruit and continue
to do so much like crops grown in soil will spring up after rain. Neither are
true. God is not at all submissive to the will of man, quickening him in his
sin and no doubt making a change but keeping those ignorant and not continuing
in his hand.
Reggie
Saved
from the Revealing Wrath of Jesus Christ toward Israel, Jerusalem and Rome.
If
Christians would simply go study what actually happened between 67 & 100
AD, they would see Paul’s, Peter’s John’s and Jude’s Letters in a different
light.
Peter
in Acts says, “Save yourselves from this untoward generation!”
Untoward=
unexpected, unanticipated, unforeseen, unpredictable, unpredicted. surprising,
unusual. inopportune, untimely, ill-timed, badly timed, mistimed. inconvenient,
awkward, unwelcome, unfavourable, adverse, unfortunate, infelicitous.
inappropriate, unsuitable, inapt.
The
generation Jesus preached to and the world power of that time both would be
destroyed within 70 years of Jesus’ Crucifixion. Jerusalem within 40 years.
Now,
in John’s Epistle of The Revelation of Jesus, there are warnings from Jesus
Himself to 6 of the 7 The Churches. These were the elect of God. Believers…
these were not pagans. And in five out of the seven churches, Jesus warns some
of them that He would remove their Lamp from His presence.
Well,
the scriptures being studied, believed and executed in one’s life is in
consideration here in both Paul’s Admonition to Timothy and Jesus’ Warnings to
the seven Churches.
Time salvation. Not Eternal.
