Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Friday, October 21, 2022

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise - 2Pet 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
as some men count slackness...

 

 October 21, 2018 

Look at this passage in the context of 2Pet 3:1-13, and answer these questions to assist you to rightly divide the word of truth stated in the passage. Don't succumb to sound-byte!

Remember that Apostle Peter was an apostle to the Jews, and he was writing to "them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."  2Pet 1:1 The pronoun "us" refers to the fellow Jewish Apostles.

2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Ask the right questions, e.g.,

a. what's the Lord's promise here? And to whom was it made?

b. who are the"some men" who scoff at the Lord's promise?

c. who are the "us-ward" to whom the Lord is longsuffering?

d. to whom does the pronoun "any" refer? Any of which, or what?

e. are those to whom the Lord is longsuffering and those He is not willing to perish related?

f. The Lord is not willing that any should "perish" - what's the perishing here, perish in what sense?

g. "all" of whom should come to repentance?

h. how will repentance save them from  perishing spoken of?

You may have some other questions on the text; feel free to ask.

Here is another one:

i. those men who charged the Lord for slackness concerning the fulfillment of His promise, what can be concluded about them?

If you can stick to the text and questions, please give your thoughts. Thanks.

(Wolliness is not tolerated.)

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 Dellis Layne
a. Christ coming again

b. Men who say He has already came, or is not coming at all

c. To us-wards, the chosen, even the ones who aren't born yet.

d. The church, the bride.

e. yes

f. perish from the comfort of knowing that the Lord fulfills His promises, both in this life and that life which is to come.

g. All the chosen of God. .

Sing
Thank you for responding.
Concerning a. Christ coming again.
2Pet 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Last days of what - of the end of the theocratic kingdom of Israel, or the last days of the gospel age?

Christ coming again in judgment upon the Jewish nation in AD70 or at the end of the gospel age?

Brother Dellis, take a look here:
The Lord is not willing that any should perish
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2009/10/lord-is-not-willing-that-any-should.html
THINGS-NEW-AND-OLD.BLOGSPOT.COM

Dellis Layne
I read and enjoyed the whole article. It makes perfect sense, even if they were man's "cheapskate thoughts" 😉. Now, I have some serious studying to do.

May God Bless! Thanks Brother Sing

Steve Woods
Some more questions, is come to repentance same as repenting and if not why not and who or what will bring them to “repentance “?(and remember repentance is a noun, not a verb).

Sing
"SHOULD come to repentance..."

Sing 
I'll answer the questions since there is no further interest.
You are free the challenge any of them.

a. what's the Lord's promise here? And to whom?
- The promise of His judgment to destroy Israel. Read Mt 24; to the Jews.

b. who are the men who scoff at the Lord's promise?
- The unbelieving Jews, "where is the promised judgment, where?"

c. who are the "us-ward" to whom the Lord is longsuffering?
- The recipient of Peter's epistle, "them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." 2Pet 1:1

d. to whom does the pronoun "any" refer? Any of which, or what?
- Any of "them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." 2Pet 1:1

e. are those to whom the Lord is longsuffering and those He is not willing to perish related?
- Yes, co-extensive, as many as.

f. The Lord is not willing that any should "perish" in what sense?
- Perish being slaughtered and roasted by the Roman armies in that promised coming of the Lord in judgment in AD70.

g. "all" of who should come to repentance?
- God's children among the Jews, EVEN "them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." 2Pet 1:1

h. how will repentance save them from perishing?
- Repentance from unbelief, and believing the promised judgment, they will flee Jerusalem and deliver themselves from the vengeance executed through the Roman armies. "Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains." Mt 24:17

Dellis Layne
My apologies for not getting back with. I thought I should do some more research before responding further.

I have reading the posts from a preterist group. This goes along with them in a lot of ways.

Sing
Brother Dellis, no apology is needed. I'm glad you are reading more.
The similarities are only incidental.
Preterism as a system is a grievous heresy.
http://www.letgodbetrue.com/pdf/preterism.pdf

Dellis Layne 
Thanks, That will keep me busy for a while...