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| Wouldn't it be SCANDALOUS and TREACHEROUS and CRIMINAL of you to claim and insist that it is your believing the good news and going to the bank THAT CAUSED the gift to be freely credited to your account by the Benefactor? |
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October
3, 2012
Justification
by faith (man's act of believing) alone is a great and injurious lie of the devil! And both the Calvinists and
their Arminian cousins believe the same lie!
Supposing
a benefactor FREELY credited a $1b into your personal account and paid off ALL
your debt too while you were condemned and declared bankrupt.
He
then sends his servant to bring the good news to you and calls you to believe
it. (Good news is news of what has happened; the good news is not what will happen
if a condition is met, i.e. good news is not a conditional offer!).
And
suppose you believe the good news of the benefactor's FREE and gracious act,
and by faith, you go to the bank to draw on the money.
(Or
perhaps you were told of an offer instead, and not the good news; that is, that
IF you, a condemned bankrupt, would only believe and accept the good offer and
go to the bank, THEN the Benefactor would credit that $1b to your personal account and also pay off
ALL your debt.)
Wouldn't
it be SCANDALOUS and TREACHEROUS and CRIMINAL of you to claim and insist that
it is your believing the good news and going to the bank THAT CAUSED the gift
to be freely credited to your account by the Benefactor?
The
truth is, your believing and going to the bank EVIDENCES the great deed that
HAS BEEN DONE for your sake! If he hasn't done it for you, there would be no
such good news for you to believe! And believing something that is not true
doesn't make it come true... it is only believing a lie!
Your
believing or not believing does not in the slightest manner affect the reality
of the things that are already done for you! But your believing enables you to
experience the blessings of those things already done for you by free grace.
Yet
so many insist that... they are justified before God by or through their faith
in Jesus Christ! Upon their believing in Jesus Christ, God justifies them, i.e.
God gives them the righteousness of Christ upon their believing in Christ! What
a lie!
Sola
fidei is a great lie of the devil - it is treacherous and scandalous, injurious
and criminal.
Do you begin to understand the great issue involve? It is not just semantics! It is Christ's honour and truth at stake!
[Samuel made some comments and deleted them.]
sing
Go
ahead and explain what those passages are saying, Samuel. I would like to hear
you out. Have you understood the illustration?
Addiction to sound byte is a crippling disease. And I don't tolerate such sickness here. It is contagious! <LOL>
Marty-Sandy
Smith
Amen,
Brother Sing! It would be unjust for a debtor to claim his belief had made a previously
made debt settlement effective. It would also be unjust for a creditor to
condemn a debtor whose debts had been paid in full.
sing
No,
free grace is not repetitive.
Free
grace is ONE UNBROKEN CONTINUOUS WHOLE... no need for repetition. If you are
tired of free grace... take a break with some work grace!
Stick
to the subject if you wish to comment. No littering, please. Thanks.
Dellis
Layne Worsham Sr.
Jesus
didn't die because I believe in Him, I believe in Him because He died for
"me"....?
Daniel
Goh
Now
I seem to get what you are saying here, I always tie you together as a
Calvinist.
sing
Brother
Daniel Goh, it gives me some joy to read that you SEEM to get what I'm
saying!!! May our Lord give you the right understanding of the truth of your
salvation.
We
must recover the lost truth... the lost gospel.
sing
A
conversation on the above subject between A and B:
A:
Upon their believing in Jesus Christ, God justifies them, i.e. God gives them
the righteousness of Christ upon their believing in Christ!
B:
Brother, did God give you Christ's righteousness upon your believing?
A:
Yes I received Christ's righteousness when I placed my faith in Him and His
Work for me at Calvary.
B:
When you were WITHOUT Christ's righteousness, what state were you in, Brother?
A:
Depraved, UTTERLY depraved, utterly.
B:
Really? Do you really believe that? You are sure?
A:
I know it, my Brother and I know it.
B:
And do you ALSO know that in such a depraved, utter depraved state, it is
impossible for you to believe IN ORDER to have Christ's righteousness imputed
to you? Or such a depraved state is just a meaningless shibboleth... because you
claim that in such a utterly depraved state you are still capable of believing,
and upon your believing, Christ's righteousness is imputed to you.
A:
Holy Spirit! HELLO Holy Spirit convicts! NOT YOU. Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit
convicts!
B:
Silly Brother, I'm not trying to convict you, or anyone. It is true, only
the Spirit of truth can convict a child of God of the truth of his salvation by
God's free grace. I'm just saying that you are completely inconsistent. And
that's not good. And you are just TOOOOOOOOOOO proud to admit your plain
inconsistency. Why divert the issue now. Have some integrity. It takes a big
heart to admit one's error.
A:
Ok I accept my errors, sorry for the lacking discernment.
========
Is
A converted to the truth? Is it that easy? I don't know.
May
our Lord save me from cynicism... having dealt with so many hardened 'sola
fideists'!
sing
An elect to whom God has not APPLIED personally the righteousness of Christ by His
free grace is STILL a man in his native state of the condemnation of death.
(The righteousness of Christ has been IMPUTED legally to all the elect at the
cross, just as the sin of Adam was IMPUTED legally to all represented by Adam
at the fall.)
In
his native state of the condemnation of death, there is no possibility of him
believing.
ONLY
after the justification of life is applied to him personally, wholly and solely
by God's free grace, is an elect enabled to believe.
IT
IS the just, i.e. the justified one by God's free grace, that shall live by
faith.
It
is NOT the condemned ones, i.e. those not justified, who by faith shall be
justified by God, and live!!!!!!!
Daniel
Goh
A
is not saved, period.
Robert
Cook Sr.
A
child of God or His elect are eternally saved but are helpless to know it until
the Spirit of God is put in them so they can see the things freely given to
them.
sing
Brother
Daniel, A is saved, but his mind is messed up, and confused. His is badly
taught.
sing
Robert
Cook, the Spirit of God is a gift given to every child of God at effectual
call, working saving graces in them. For them to know the gospel of their
salvation (which teaches all the things freely given to them), they need access
to a faithful gospel ministry! Without a faithful gospel ministry, they will
remain ignorant of the truth of their eternal salvation by God's free grace,
and they will experience little of the temporal salvation ministered through
the gospel ministry.
Robert
Cook Sr.
Sing
for the most part that is true but there is the direct revelation also gospel
directly from God as in Job and Abraham etc., but as you say without the Spirit being put in you we are blind and disinterested in the things concerning
eternity.
[sing: far worse than blind; without the Spirit in us, we are still dead in trespasses and sin.]
sing
IF
there is such a direct revelation of the gospel from God Himself, THEN it is the
SAME to every child of God...
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Robert
Cook Sr.
Sing
I thought the previous two comments were about instruction from the written
word and a faithful gospel ministry? every child of God is made alive in Christ
the same way but the teaching after is done in many different ways of which
some never receive or are taught the truth of their salvation. unless I am a
complete moron and misunderstand altogether.
sing
Brother
Obert, you are a complete NON-moron!
I
was responding to your statement about "there is the direct revelation
also gospel directly from God."
Robert
Cook Sr.
Thanks, Sing your humour is quite interesting to a moron but only to people like me!
Mike
PH
That
was a clear exposition of salvation by grace and not by faith in Jesus Christ
and faith is just evidence of one saved by God's grace, however many still
could not understand this doctrine correctly.
