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These nuts are easy to crack; Human nuts are so much harder! |
Weird ideas exchanged... touching on universal love, particular atonement, equal chance, assumptions, etc... Read and judge for yourself!!! Where are you in these matters?
Sing
God
the Creator loves His creatures in the covenant of creation.
God
the Redeemer loves His chosen people in the covenant of redemption.
That's
plain and simple enough.
Berf
Perhaps,
some of you will say that I am "reading too much into it," but I
think 2 Peter 3:9 implies the idea that God loves everyone equally......
Cook
"us-ward"
who is the letter written to?
Sing
Usward...
1:1
¶ Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have
obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our
Saviour Jesus Christ:
2
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of
Jesus our Lord,
3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto
life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory
and virtue:
4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these
ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that
is in the world through lust.
Cook
"like
precious faith" how beautiful and powerful.
Sing
To
Usward...
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that have obtained like precious faith with us...
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that have been given all things that pertain unto life and godliness...
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that are given exceeding great and precious promises...
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that are partakers of divine nature...
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that have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Nathan
So
you're saying that only those that have faith in Christ are loved by God. What
about the thousands and thousands of people who lived without ever hearing the
name Jesus Christ? I believe that a just God gives each of His children an
equal chance of receiving salvation, whether it's during this life or in the
spirit world.
Sing
God
DOES NOT give chance... much less an equal chance of receiving salvation. If He
gives chance, then no one will be saved. Chance is redundant to sinner dead in
trespasses and sins.
God
purposed salvation for His people.
Christ
accomplished that same salvation for the same people.
The
Spirit of God and Christ apply that salvation to each individual personally
while they were dead in trespasses and sins.
These
then are able to believe because the faith is worked in them by the indwelling
Spirit.
Salvation
is freely and sovereignly applied to each of God's chosen people. This
salvation bestowed freely by God's grace NEGATES the need and place of chance
in the matter of salvation.
Berf
On
what do you base your assumption, Sing??.......
Sing
Berf,
which one do you consider is an assumption, and why? Thanks.
Berf
Everything
we think or say about God is an assumption........
Sing
There
is only ONE thing I assume when I speak of God and things concerning Him - that
is - He HAS SPOKEN, and Has PRESERVED what He has spoken, and what He has spoken
can be known and understood by those whom He has spoken to. Without that
assumption, we are indeed speaking like presumptuous fools.
2Tim
3
16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Berf
And
assumptions are based upon personal beliefs and preconceptions.....
Sing
I
will leave you to speak your assumptions.
I
will stick to what God has said, and preserved in the Scriptures... and based
my "assumptions" on that sure foundation.
I
have no hope of knowing God and His will apart from the Scriptures.
Thanks
for sharing your assumptions. Thanks again.
