https://www.facebook.com/sing.f.lau/posts/2364229300636
December 14, 2011
A little exchange with a commenter (he has deleted some of his comments):
Praise Jesus our Lord and King.
Dear brother Sing F Lau, I feel that there is a shortfall in your summary; you have jumped around to several places in scripture on points of justification. But there is one area that you did not clearly explore and that is Romans 3:1 thru 11:36. Paul is writing to the church in Rome to those who have believed in the teaching of the early church as evidenced by what was written by Luke in the Book of Acts. All the epistles written by Paul, Peter, John, James, and Jude were written to believers in those cities. Paul was writing to the believers in Rome that at one time worshipped Roman gods and he was telling them that they were followers of Jesus The Christ. That they were not to worship Jesus and the Roman gods together.
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Sing F Lau
I was commenting on what was summarized in
the 1689 CoF.
Romans teaching on justification: a brief
outline
- The gospel: God's provision of
righteousness
- Bad news: all men without exception are
under condemnation
- God provides righteousness in Jesus Christ.
- Justification is accomplished by the
righteousness through the faith OF-OF-OF Christ alone.
- Justification is applied by the free grace
of God alone...
- Justification is experienced through faith
IN-IN-IN Christ alone.
The three 'alone' are separate and distinct.
Now you flesh up the skeleton.
Sing F Lau
That's fine with me. The 1689 CoF tells me
what those who have gone before me have understood what the Bible teaches.
There is no man whom I can't learn something from!
Fine, let's stick to the Bible. Here is the
summary of justification from Romans.
Romans teaching on justification in brief
outline:
- The gospel: God's provision of
righteousness
- Bad news: all men without exception are
under condemnation
- God provides righteousness in Jesus Christ.
- Justification is accomplished by the
righteousness through the faith OF-OF-OF Christ alone.
- Justification is applied by the free grace
of God alone...
- Justification is experienced through faith
IN-IN-IN Christ alone.
Don't quote Scriptures and assume I
understand what you wish those Scriptures to say; don't assume I agree with
your opinions.
So, quote Scriptures, and then spell out what you want those Scriptures to teach. These are ground rules on my turf. You agree, welcome and enjoy yourself.
Sing F Lau
Let me be clear with you: there is no virtue
in quoting Scriptures. A child, as well as the devil, can do that.
Unless your quotations of Scriptures are
demonstrated to be related to the subject of justification, I shall delete
them.
I am never impressed with people quoting
Scriptures. The devil showed his prowess at the temptation of Christ.
I have preached 10 sermons on Jude 1-5 just
recently. So what do you want to say about justification? Keep away your
machine gun and stop spraying and wasting your bullets. If you can shoot at all,
bring out your sniper gun with the cross hair on.
You tell me what was Jude saying!
Sing F Lau
Oh good. We now know the subject - 'how we
lead others to Christ in a clear and crisp manner.'
That's a good subject. Keep speaking... quote
Scriptures and let's study the subject.
Sing F Lau
Yes, I call them creepers because they are
spineless and can't walk upright. What has that to do with the subject you have
in mind - 'how we lead others to Christ in a clear and crisp manner.'
Jude wrote to those who are ALREADY in Christ!
Shellie Dalton
There has to be a point where God calls a
sinner and the sinner responds with repentance and asking for forgiveness of
said sins and understanding that he/she is born into sin. That just because
they feel that they are a fairly good person does not exclude them from having
to ask for forgiveness.
Sing F Lau
A plan is just some intention/purpose in
mind... not executed yet. Is the gospel God's purpose/plan to save sinners, or
is the gospel the good news of what God has ALREADY accomplished and applied to
intended hearers? Don't get diverted by this needed question!
Let's stay focused and don't stray from the good subject: 'how we lead others to Christ in a clear and crisp manner.'
Sing F Lau
When is that point when God calls a sinner?
And what happens when God calls a sinner?
Does God need a preacher to call a sinner out
of death to eternal life?
What is the role of a preacher with respect
to those whom God saves?
Shellie Dalton
Are we not all ministers of Christ? Let us
look at the sinner in light of knowing nothing about Christ. It is better to
clearly allow the Holy Spirit to lead in the direction of the teaching. But let
us also look at when someone is not walking in truth and there are those that
do not teach the biblical teaching on salvation. i Cor. 1:10
Sing F Lau
Yes, you are a minister of Christ, so please
answer the questions on your statement, 'There has to be a point where God
calls a sinner...' Other creep and stray. But you, please stay focused.
So concerning your statement 'There has to be
a point where God calls a sinner' please answer these questions:
- When is that point when God calls a sinner?
- And what happens when God calls a sinner?
- Does God need a preacher to call a sinner
out of death to eternal life?
- What is the role of a preacher with respect
to those whom God saves?
