September
19, 2018
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Questions
for BOTH the Calvinists and their close cousins Arminians.
They have a lot in
common.
I
saw the above meme with questions posed by those opposing Calvinism. The questions
are rhetorical, and presuppose certain doctrinal beliefs that evidence wrongly
dividing the word of truth.
If
you are interested, please discern what beliefs/errors are assumed by each
rhetorical question, and comment on them.
This
exercise will help to set forth the biblical truth.
In
case you don't already know, I have no sympathy for either Calvinism or
Arminianism. However, I do see
Calvinists and Arminians who believe in Jesus Christ as brethren in Christ.
Needless
to say, both systems have their share of inconsistencies and contradictions.
Both are united in their fable of sola fide.
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Dellis
I'm
glad I took the time to ask you the many questions I've asked in the past. It's
been a while since I saw anything the Calvinist way.
There
is so much scripture that opens up to you when you read it in the context of the
Primitive Baptist way.
Still
learning to stay grounded in the faith that was once delivered unto the saints.
May God bless!
Btw, I have already saved this and I plan to study up a little more on the posted scripture in preparation for further discussion on these matters.
Charles
Page
Questions
in support of temporal salvation and nothing to do with eternal Salvation
Sing
F Lau
1.
Why does the devil fight to stop people from believing?
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Who
are these people the devil needed to fight to stop them from believing?
Are
they those already freely saved by God in Jesus Christ, i.e. effectually called
out of their native state of condemnation, death, and alienation to that of
grace and salvation in Christ - justified, regenerated and adopted? Or are they
those still dead in trespasses and sins?
Does
the latter need any stopping?
Some think the devil is as stupid as they imagine. That idea is no less stupid [lacking common sense] as the idea of fighting the blind from seeing or the more stupid idea of trying to feed the dead with food.
Dellis
Layne
Satan
wants to ruin your chance at being a Christian. He can do nothing about the new
birth, but he can stop the light of the gospel from entering your mind and
soul so that you might be converted.
[sing: wonderful understanding]
Dellis
Layne
There
is an excellency of power in the gospel of Christ, to enlighten
the mind, to convince the conscience, to convert the
soul, and to rejoice the heart; but all this power is from
God the author. ~~ Matthew
Henry
Steve
Mcghee
I'll
give you an AMEN on that.
Charles
Page
So
Faith Is The Gift Given To The Unregenerate accompanied by regeneration
Zhao
Liang Wei
In
a nutshell: All is done to glorify god. We are all part of this plan and act out our
roles on the stage and God is the director of his "movie".
I believe
this answers all your questions?
Charles
Page
Zhao
Liang Wei, now I'm really confused.
sing
Perhaps
Zhao may want to explain to defuse Charles' confusion. I also don't know his
deep statement.
I
ALSO don't know what answers all of whose questions. Those questions in the
meme are asked by those opposing Calvinism.
sing
So
Faith Is The Gift Given To The Unregenerate accompanied by regeneration
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That's
a popular fable.
A
regenerated elect is ADOPTED and is given the Holy Spirit to dwell in him...
this is the Spirit of adoption spoken of here:
Romans
8:15 KJV — For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye
have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
This
indwelling Spirit works the multifaceted fruit of the Spirit in the child of
God, of which faith is one of them.
Galatians
5:22 KJV — But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no
law.
The
ministry of the word is ordained to draw out these graces that the Spirit of
God has worked in His children.
A gift comes from WITHOUT; faith is spiritual grace, among many others, worked from WITHIN by the indwelling Spirit of God in a child of God.
sing
Zhao
@ In a nutshell: All is done to glorify god. We are all part of this plan and act out
our roles on the stage and God is the director of his "movie".I
believe this answers all your questions?
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In
a cockleshell, wrong doctrines injure God's name and rob Him of His glory. Man,
even God's own children, has a great inclination to such evil.
It
is true that many are embraced in the redemptive purpose of God. But God is the
Star Actor, acting sovereignly on the people He had elected - who were by
nature dead in trespasses and sins and were in enmity and rebellion against
Him. In that native state, they CAN'T act out their roles on the stage.
God
is both the Director and the Star Actor... He sovereignly and freely acted to
save His chosen people out of their native state of condemnation, death and
alienation through His Son Jesus Christ. This enables them to act out their
roles are God's children in obedience to their Lord and Father.
Those
whom God has saved are then directed on what they are to believe and how to
conduct themselves.
Titus
2
11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live
soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and
our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify
unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Dellis
Layne
Hi
Sing, For the purpose of staying in context with a few thoughts I've had about
the mention of the devil's work in hiding the gospel from the lost,
Am
I on the right track when I assume that the lost mentioned in 2 Corinthians 4:4
are the same 'lost' mentioned by Christ in Matthew 15:24 But he answered and
said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
sing
I'm
not sure if I understand your question.
The
lost sheep of the house of Israel would be God's elect among the Jews (Mt
15:24) Other sheep not of this fold would refer to the elect among the
Gentiles. Christ came to seek and to save both.
The
lost in 2Cor 4:3-4
But
if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In
whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God,
should shine unto them.
The
gospel is relevant only to the children of God, it is intended for them; it
makes sense to speak of hiding it from them, that they remain ignorant of the
truth of their salvation. It is nonsensical to speak of hiding the gospel from
those dead in trespasses and sins; it is no less irrational speaking of the
blinding of the same; such are already too blind to perceive the dazzling light of
the gospel of Christ.
John
the Baptist's ministry is described in these words, Luke 1:
77
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78
Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath
visited us,
79
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide
our feet into the way of peace.
The gospel light failed to enlighten some of God's children... they remain lost in the temporal sense - remain in darkness, lost in ignorance of the truth of their glorious salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Dellis
Layne
Yes,
you understand correctly. I was just looking for an affirmation.
As
the god of this world blinds the minds of the elect to prevent them from seeing
the gospel light, lest they be converted.
sing
"Why
does the Bible say salvation is available to all? (1Tim 2:4-6)
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Many
Calvinists would insist the same, that salvation is available to all. It agrees
with the popular idea of "salvation is sufficient for all," and the
basis of their "free offer" doctrine.
Calvinists
and the Arminians have much in common.
Even
if salvation is available to all, how is it relevant to those who are dead
in trespasses and sins, in enmity against God, incapable of discerning
spiritual things? What good is the universal availability of salvation? What is
the relevance of the availability of universal health care to the dead?
The
truth is simple...
God
purposed eternal salvation for a particular people;
Christ
accomplished that eternal salvation for the same people;
The
Spirit of God and Christ applies the eternal salvation to each individual of
the same people.
1Tim
2:4-6 DOES NOT say salvation is available to all.
