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| Pure grace excludes any works of man - whether the work of preaching or the work of believing! |
Which will you choose to believe:
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That God Himself applies directly the eternal salvation, secured by Jesus
Christ for His own people, to the beneficiaries, or
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That God applies indirectly the eternal salvation to the beneficiaries through the
activities of human preachers?
Which
way is good news to you? Tell us why.
Is
divine grace delivered through human hands still good news or not? 'G R A C E'
in man's wobbly hands will be turned into something monstrous!
Take
heed if you trust man's wobbly and filthy hands of handling divine grace in
your eternal salvation!!! Take good heed.
Here
is an article of faith of the XYZ Sovereign Grace Church.
"We
believe the preaching of the Gospel to be the God-ordained means by which the
God-ordained end is accomplished; that the Holy Spirit reveals Christ and all
spiritual blessings in Him to God's elect and brings them to repentance and
faith in Him through the preaching of Christ and Him crucified; that we must
with every opportunity and means and in every place afforded us by the
providence of God, proclaim the Gospel of God's free and sovereign grace in
Christ; that in the Gospel, His sheep will by the Holy Spirit, hear His voice
and follow Him."
What do you think of the article?
PJ
Walters
I
didn't read anything about regeneration in the article, but it seems to be ok.
Zhao
Liang Wei
Too
humanistic
Sing
F Lau
Explain
please, Teoh. Thanks.
(Teoh deleted his comment)
Sing
F Lau
Pj,
is this ok with you, "that in the Gospel, His sheep will by the Holy
Spirit, hear His voice and follow Him." The whole article is about this!
Adam
Wells
Bro
Sing, I think the phrase "hear his voice and follow him" is subject
to interpretation. One may read it and understand follow him in a sense like
"hear the voice of the son of God and live," whereas someone else may
understand it to mean to follow him in discipleship.
I
would assume they are referring to regeneration in that they say the gospel is
the "God-ordained means by which the God-ordained end is
accomplished." I reckon a bit more explanation would be fitting.
PJ
Walters
It
does not explicitly state that "all His sheep will" but that
"His sheep will." Further, maybe my understanding is tainted, but
that seems to me to be about conversion, not regeneration.
Sing
F Lau
"that
in the Gospel, His sheep will by the Holy Spirit, hear His voice and follow
Him."
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Is
the life-giving voice of Christ heard through the gospel ministry?
That's
my question!
PJ
Walters
No,
that is not how I understand it; but the author of that statement may have.
"In
the exercise of the authority which has been entrusted to Him, the Lord Jesus
calls to Himself from out of the world, through the ministry of His Word, by
His Spirit, those who are given to Him by His Father, so that they may walk
before Him in all the ways of obedience which He prescribes to them in His
Word. Those who are thus called, He commands to walk together in particular
societies or churches, for their mutual edification, and for the due
performance of that public worship, which He requires of them in the
world." 1689.26.5
Sing
F Lau
The
new school fullerite RBs will take 1689.26.5 as concrete evidence that the old
school baptists held to gospel regeneration. How would you respond to that
claim?
PJ
Walters
Firstly,
that the effectual call is already previously addressed in that confession.
Secondly, that this is for the regenerate elect to be called not effectually:
for that is prerequisite to this; but by the outward ministry of the word.
Robert
Cook Sr.
Sovereign
Grace Baptists are Presbyterians who dunk basically in their theology:(
Robert
Cook Sr.
Only
the old Baptists teach and preach the truth about eternal salvation.
Sing
F Lau
1689.26
is about gathering the effectually called elect into NT churches.
Besides,
1689.20.4 states categorically:
"Although
the gospel be the only outward means of revealing Christ and saving grace, and
is, as such, abundantly sufficient thereunto; yet that men who are dead in
trespasses may be born again, quickened or regenerated, there is moreover
necessary an effectual insuperable work of the Holy Spirit upon the whole soul,
for the producing in them a new spiritual life;(😎 without which no other
means will effect their conversion unto God.(9)"
"Without
which no other means will effect their conversion unto God."
We
must not let the new school fullerites hijack the confession of the old school
baptists!!! Show them that they believe contrary to what the old school
believed!
PJ
Walters
***conversion
unto God***
PJ
Walters
Distinct
from regeneration!
Sing
F Lau
Yes,
yes, yeeeeeeeeeees!
The
ministry of the word has to do with the conversion of God's children unto God,
not their quickening out of their native state of death!
The
old school fathers were far more logical and sound than the bastards who claim
to be their descendants!!!
