I saw these two posts on The Protestant Reformation Facebook page, here https://www.facebook.com/ReformedEvangelical/. The page is administered by some Reformed Baptists.
Both posts speak about double imputation. It seems the author is either quite confused about the biblical doctrine of double imputation, or he knows not what he is talking about. You be the judge.
I was trying to engage the administrator to alert him to the matter, but there was no response. Then ten days later, the same strange statement is made again - "we give Christ our sin."
Read for yourself.
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"And that's why double imputation is very important if not essential. We have the imputed righteousness of Christ. So Christ loved God perfectly with His heart, soul, mind and loved His neighbour. God's wrath was poured out on Him instead of us. So what Christ did for us was given to us, and what we failed to do was given to Christ on the cross and drank the cup which was the wrath of God."
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The doctrine of imputation is indeed at the heart of the gospel; no imputation, no gospel; no imputation, no salvation.
May I ask,
- when was Christ's righteousness imputed to us, i.e. when was what Christ did for us given to us?
- when were our sins imputed to Christ, i.e. when was what we failed to do given to Christ?
Is the double imputation - of Christ's righteousness imputed to us and our sins to Christ - chronologically simultaneous, or do they occur at a separate time?
Thank you.
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"In summary, we give Christ our sin, and was treated as guilty although He was innocent. And Christ gives us His robes of righteousness although we were guilty but treated as though innocent, so we are declared righteous or justified by faith alone because of Christ alone. THIS IS the HEART of the Gospel."
"In summary, we give Christ our sin, and was treated as guilty although He was innocent. And Christ gives us His robes of righteousness although we were guilty but treated as though innocent, so we are declared righteous or justified by faith alone because of Christ alone. THIS IS the HEART of the Gospel."
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When do we give Christ our sin? What do we do to give Christ our sins?
You are saying that the guilty and unjustified sinners, through faith alone that they exercised, are declared righteous.
Please tell, how could the guilty and unjustified sinners exercise faith in order to be justified?
You are putting the cart before the horse!
The Scriptures declare, "the just shall live by faith."
It is the JUST, the justified ones - freely by the grace of God based solely upon the righteousness of Christ - that shall live by faith. Only those whom God has freely justified by His grace are capable of believing. Faith is a fruit and effect of the justified state; this is putting faith in its proper biblical place.
Old School Baptists believed this:
"The reason why any are justified is not because they have faith; but the reason why they have faith is because they are justified."
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Complete silence from the Administrator.
Complete silence from the Administrator.
Then 10 days later, this post with the statement on double imputation again, "we give Christ our sin..."
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"We give Christ our sin..."
"We give Christ our sin..."
May I ask again, "When do we give Christ our sin? What do we do to give Christ our sins? Thanks.
This meme accompanied the post to illustrate double imputation.
The quote does not deal with double imputation; it deals with the double substitution of Christ for His people: He lived the life that His people are impotent to live, and died the death they deserved.
The active obedience of Christ, i.e. His sinless life of perfect obedience to all the laws of God secured the righteousness needed for the justification of His people; this is the righteousness of God's own provision.
Rom 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference. [note: 'by faith of Christ...'The righteousness of Christ is the ground of our justification; Christ's righteousness was IMPUTED BY GOD to all represented by Christ when Christ died and rose - when you and I were NOT EVEN BORN.
The passive obedience of Christ in His substitutionary and atoning death bore away the just and righteous wrath of God due to our sins, thus securing our complete and perfect forgiveness.
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No response the last I checked.
Let me leave some notes on double imputation.
No response the last I checked.
Let me leave some notes on double imputation.
i. The sin of Adam was imputed to all represented by him, i.e., the whole human race, at his fall. This imputation was solely by the sovereign act of God alone; those imputed with the sin of Adam did not yet exist and played no role whatsoever. Adam was their representative head; this was solely by the good pleasure and sovereign purpose of God.
Rom 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
The imputation of Adam's sin to all represented by him is NOT part of the double imputation. However, the same principle of federal headship operates in the double imputation.
Rom 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."
The imputed sin of Adam comes into operation/effect at the moment of conception of each one represented by him. A man is conceived in sin and born in sin because of that imputation of the original sin. What was legal is now applied personally; what is applied personally soon makes its manifestation in actual acts of sins.
ii. The double imputation speaks of the free and sovereign act of God in the imputation of Christ's righteousness to all represented by Him and the imputation to Christ of all the sins of all those represented by Christ.
iii. This double imputation of Christ's righteousness to His people and all the sins of His people to Him is solely by the free and sovereign act of God, independent of any part or role or activities of man. Man's faith is EXCLUDED. Man's activity is EXCLUDED.
"We give Christ our sin" is poorly worded at best and a pure error at worst; no, you DIDN'T give your sin to Christ; it is God who freely and sovereignly IMPUTED it to Christ; you did NOTHING; you did not yet exist when God executed this glorious work of imputing your sins to Christ at the cross. If you are silly and stupid (i.e. lacking common sense) enough to deny that your sins were imputed to Christ when He died at the cross, then I wish you, "good luck." Find someone to take care of your sins. (Sarcasm may sometimes work with obtuse folks.)
"We give Christ our sin" is woolly at best; fatal at worst! Why? You will do a lousy job of it; you will fail to give ALL your sins to Christ; you will end up leaving out too many sins in your closets, basement and attic.
God alone could and did a complete job.
Christ was offered for sins ONCE, yes ONLY ONCE. If your sins were not imputed by God to Christ at the cross, you have denied yourself the only opportunity for your sins to be dealt with.
iv. This double imputation took place at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. At the cross, all the sins of all Christ's people were imputed to Him and He suffered the full and complete wrath of God and made full atonement for all the sins of all His people. "IT IS FINISHED," declared He.
iv. This double imputation took place at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. At the cross, all the sins of all Christ's people were imputed to Him and He suffered the full and complete wrath of God and made full atonement for all the sins of all His people. "IT IS FINISHED," declared He.
2Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
v. This double imputation took place SIMULTANEOUSLY, at the death and resurrection of Christ.
Rom 4:25 "Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification."
- No, don't be so stupid and obtuse. It does not happen at your act of believing! Stop believing that lie of the devil.
- Where do you ever read that Christ's righteousness is imputed to you when you believe?
I know you are going to quote Gen 15:6 "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."
- No, don't be so stupid and obtuse. It does not happen at your act of believing! Stop believing that lie of the devil.
- Where do you ever read that Christ's righteousness is imputed to you when you believe?
I know you are going to quote Gen 15:6 "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."
- What was counted to him? Christ's righteousness?
- What was counted to him for righteousness? Beware of soundbyte!
And Rom 4:3 "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
- What was counted to him, Christ's righteousness?
- What was counted to him for righteousness? Beware of soundbyte!
vi. That double imputation takes vital effect at the effectual calling out of the native state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation in Jesus Christ.
And Rom 4:3 "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
- What was counted to him, Christ's righteousness?
- What was counted to him for righteousness? Beware of soundbyte!
vi. That double imputation takes vital effect at the effectual calling out of the native state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation in Jesus Christ.
- What was legal is now applied personally. What was LEGALLY IMPUTED is now PERSONALLY APPLIED.
This subject is elaborated on here in this article.
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2012/01/even-so-and-its-implications-romans-518.html
This subject is elaborated on here in this article.
https://things-new-and-old.blogspot.com/2012/01/even-so-and-its-implications-romans-518.html
May the Lord grant you understanding, and set you free from FABLES.
2Tim 4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
