I inquired...
Dear brethren,
This may sound like a silly question, but it just crossed my mind.
When the LORD gave this warning to the man, was the woman made yet?
Gen 2:
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Tell us your answer, and the reasons for it... and the implications of your answer. Thanks.
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Nilo
Thou is singular
John
I have had many a thoughts by this post Brother. And for some reason this keeps weighing on my mind. Genesis 2:23
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Good question. Many I believe take this to extremes of giving glory to mother earth among other excuses of innocence that betray the glory of GOD and His grace alone. I would enjoy some thoughts on this Brethren.
Marty
I (Marty) don't take a hard position on this, but I think that Eve was not formed when God gave this commandment to Adam. My reasons? First, her statement of God's commandment in Genesis 3:3 was not the verbatim command God gave in Genesis 2:16-17. Second, I Timothy 2:13-14 tells us that Eve was deceived, but Adam was not deceived - had she received the command directly from God, her act would have been deliberate rebellion and not acting from deception.
Genesis 3:6 says that Adam was with her when she ate, and there is no indication that he tried to stop her. Romans 5:12 tells us that sin and death entered the world by one man - not by one woman.
I think this is part of the reason that God calls males only to preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ - for they must confess that Christ died to pay for the sins of His people, and that sin was the result of the deliberate disobedience of a male. Males receive authority to proclaim that, and I think males should also bear the responsibility concomitant with that authority.
Marty
[Galatians 3:27-28] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
As important as ethnicity (Jew or Greek), social standing (slave or free), and gender (male or female) are to us poor human beings now, they will have little importance in eternity, where the presence, praise, and love of Christ Jesus overwhelm those matters.
Sing F Lau
The sequence of events... seem to indicate that the woman was not even made yet!
Is that true?
Gen 2
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden...
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
(specifically say HIM, singular. THEM is sued when speaking of the TWO together)
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(and yes, Nilo, THOU addresses 1st person singular)
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him...
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
So the command was given directly to Adam personally, and he conveyed it to the woman.
Chasey
The very next verse seems to indicate that Adam was alone when God gave commandment:
"18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
And then Eve was made in verse 22. All of this listed after the verses in question.
Am I missing something here?
Still Thinking.
Shannun
I am going to stick my neck out here and say that she was not at least there when the instruction was given. Note the singular pronoun used here, thou speaking of one person.
Chongg
neither Woman is sinful but Eve was...
Sing F Lau
Chongg, did you read the question?
[Do you see how Nilo, John and Marty and others all deal with the question raised. But your answer show that your mind is distracted by something else... sing.]
Here, let me repeat for you: "When the LORD gave this warning to the man, was the woman made yet?"
And can you explain your statement, please! Thanks.
Why was the Woman not sinful, and why was Eve sinful?
Chongg
Genesis 2:23 is before first Adam commit sin, Genesis 3:20 is after they committed sin, "mother of all living" is a lie by sinful first Adam (notice the name changed from Woman=unsinful to Eve=sinful)
Sing F Lau
Which question are you replying to?
Or are you just regurgitating a lie you have learned from MO???
And how does quoting Gen 2:23 and 3:20 answer the question, "Why was the Woman not sinful, and why was Eve sinful?"
Chongg
I am replying to your second question? "Why was the Woman not sinful, and why was Eve sinful?"
Sing F Lau
And how does quoting Gen 2:23 and 3:20 answer the question, "Why was the Woman not sinful, and why was Eve sinful?" Please explain to us.
Who ate of the fruit - the Woman or Eve in your opinion?
Chongg
could you read my answer again, "Genesis 2:23 is before first Adam commit sin, Genesis 3:20 is after they committed sin" i really need more patient with you, my dear brother
Genesis 2:24 oso explains that Woman and Man are unsinful initially
Sing F Lau .
Here I post the Scriptures you quoted:
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
So, show us from these passages that the Woman was not sinful, but Eve was sinful - as you stated.
Chongg
KJT uses Adam in Genesis 2:19-21 but not in Genesis 2:23-25...why? the translator made a mistake? KJT is not INSPIRED translation of the BIBLE?
[This is not true. My non-inspired KJB has Adam in 2:23! sing]
Sing F Lau
Your fable that Gen 3:20 constitutes a lie of Adam has been repudiated by your fellow American PBs!!! You still persist in that lie because MO taught you! It is safer for you to learn from the American PBs... not your mentor MO!!!
Chongg, if you CANNOT stay on a subject, then you are indeed as handicapped as your mentor MO!!! Soon, you will lead this thread to KJB as the INSPIRED translation!!!
Chongg
that's a question, pastor Sing F Lau.
Sing F Lau
What is a question?
Chongg
"Soon, you will lead this thread to KJB as the INSPIRED translation!!!
Sing F Lau
Chong, it was a STATEMENT, and it is still a statement.
If you don't have the basic discipline for discussion, you should just keep quiet and learn a bit. Just my brotherly advice! I have told you before in some other place, you can't even read English properly! Remember you made a fool of yourself with another Chong?
Here is your rhetorical question stated above...
KJT is not INSPIRED translation of the BIBLE?
So I made the statement that you will soon turn the discussion down that road!!!
Here is the original question:
When the LORD gave this warning to the man, was the woman made yet? (the warning in Gen 2:16-17).
The above exchange has been deleted from the FB.
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Brother Chongg,
Here is a copy of the thread above I deleted from the FB...
I just felt the exchanges between us is getting nowhere...
- you are incapable of sticking to the subject...
- you are just eager to ride your hobby horse... KJB is an inspired translation, Adam calling the woman Eve was an act of sin, ect.
- you make statements and are unwilling to substantiate them when required...
- you are making statements that make you appear stupid (i.e. lacking common sense) in the eyes of the PBs.
Those are some of the reasons - just so that you know why I deleted the post.
Study to improve on those points and you will be ready to study and discuss.
May our Lord bless you richly.
your brother in Christ
sing
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