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Mr. Joel, a Calvinist stated this:
Progressive Sanctification is not conversion. It is true that Definite sanctification takes place during Regeneration but they are not one and the same. Conversion is the direct effect of Regeneration. In the Ordo Salutis, Conversion logically takes place right after Regeneration but that is [a] logical priority and should not be understood chronologically. Whenever there is regeneration then conversion takes place.
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Few OBVIOUS errors here:
1. Progressive sanctification is not conversion.
- Progressive sanctification is conversion. Since conversion is a lifelong process beginning with the initial conversion to Christ through the gospel ministry and goes on till the last breath of a child of God. No conversion, no ongoing sanctification!
2. Definitive sanctification does not take place during regeneration.
- Regeneration takes place at definitive sanctification. Regeneration is ONE PART of the definitive sanctification by God's free grace at effectual calling, i.e. God's act of calling an elect who is in his native state of condemnation, death, and alienation to that state of grace and salvation in Jesus Christ. [This separation from the state of sin and death to that state of grace and salvation is a once-for-all completed and unrepeatable separation, thus definitive sanctification!]
- Calling one that is condemned, dead and alienated to grace and salvation in Jesus Christ necessarily requires JUSTIFICATION, REGENERATION, and ADOPTION. Without these necessary divine activities, one is not separated from the native state of sin and death to the state of grace and salvation in Jesus Christ.
- Calling one that is condemned, dead and alienated to grace and salvation in Jesus Christ necessarily requires JUSTIFICATION, REGENERATION, and ADOPTION. Without these necessary divine activities, one is not separated from the native state of sin and death to the state of grace and salvation in Jesus Christ.
3. "Conversion logically takes place right after Regeneration". - Wrong. Conversion takes place after regeneration - that is the correct chronological order. BUT it is PLAIN WRONG to say that conversion takes place RIGHT AFTER regeneration. Look at Cornelius. His conversion took place after the gospel ministered by Peter. But Cornelius was obviously regenerated long before Peter came to the scene. His devout life of prayers and works of righteousness, and acceptance with God, are indisputable evidence that Cornelius was regenerated long before, not just right before his conversion!
4. "Whenever there is regeneration then conversion takes place."
- Plain wrong too. Some regeneration is never accompanied by conversion through the gospel ministry. Some of God's children are incapable of being reached by the gospel ministry.
- Regeneration is not only LOGICALLY but also CHRONOLOGICALLY prior to conversion through the gospel ministry. So simple, even the regenerated needs time to hear, to understand before he can be converted to the truth of the gospel of Christ. Elementary.
- SO ALSO there are God's justified people who are incapable of being reached with the gospel, and therefore not justified by their faith. But everyone is justified by the free grace of God in effectual calling. This alone ensures that the promised salvation is SURE to every elect.
FOUR popular errors in one short paragraph...
PHEW! And you are a Calvinistic teacher in Israel!
I tremble!
