Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Friday, January 22, 2016

Angels, and angels, and angels

 Changbai Mountain is favoured with majestic natural sceneries... 
Tianchi or the Heavenly Lake is at the heart of this splendid place.
Here are some passages dealing with angels, angels that sinned and were cast into hell, Satan and his angels cast out of heaven into the earth, Satan cast into the bottomless pit, etc...

Take and look, and exercise our minds by answering some questions. Feel free to ask your questions; you may have some too. Thanks. 


2Pet 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;..."


It is obvious that both Apostle Peter and his recipients are familiar with the event spoken of. He stated the fact of the matter and took it for granted that his Jewish audience understood what he was saying.

Q. "For if God did not spare the angels that sinned.."
- what problem was Peter dealing with? 

- Who was he reasoning with?
- Who sincerely but vainly believed that God's judgment will not come upon them?
- What makes them think God will spare them? 


Q. What was the sin of the angels involved?
Q. When was the sin committed?
Q. Where in the Scriptures is it recorded?
Q. When were they cast down into hell?

Q. Were ALL the fallen involved in this particular sin? Why?



Jude 6 
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

(The angels not remaining in their first estate but leaving their own habitation are two sides of the same coin.)

It is also obvious that both Jude and his recipients are familiar with the incident referred to. He stated the fact of the matter and took it for granted that his Jewish audience understood what he was saying. 


Q. What was the first estate of the angels?
Q. Why was their not keeping their first estate so serious, and brought such judgment upon them? What was their sin? What did they do having left their first estate? 

Q. Where is this sin recorded in the Scriptures?
Q. What was their own habitation?
Q. Why was leaving their own habitation so serious, and brought such judgment upon them? What was their sin?
Q. Which angels were reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day – all the angels, or only those which kept not their not their first estate, but left their own habitation? 
Q. Is their not keeping their first estate but leaving their own habitation the same as their being cast out of heaven to earth? (Note: the former constituted a wrong that incurred the judgment of God; the latter is the judgment for something else!)
Q. Is Jude 6 related to 2Pet 2:4? Why?


Rev 12:3-9

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Q. When did that war in heaven take place?

Q. How is "the third part of the stars of heaven" related to the angels of the dragon?

Q. Why was there no more place in heaven for the dragon and his angels?
Q. When were Satan and his angels cast out of heaven?
Q. When they were cast out of heaven, whither were they cast?
Q. Was this casting out of heaven into the earth the same as being cast into hell in 2Pet 2:4?
Q. What are the differences? Who were involved, and what happened in both?



Rev 20:1-3 
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


Q. Who does the angel from heaven signify?
Q. When did he lay hold on the dragon? What does that signify
Q. What did casting Satan into the bottomless pit accomplish?
Q. When did the "thousand years" begin, when will the "thousand years" be fulfilled?

Q. Is this event of casting Satan into the bottomless pit the same as the event recorded in Rev 12 and 2Pet 2?


I look forward to hearing some answers to these questions.
Feel free to ask your own.


Thank you.