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Saturday July 14
Matthew One posted the above cartoon, and remarked:
Matthew
Hmm..... is that why some are teaching devils are sons of God? In their nephlim?
[He tagged the people named: Sing F Lau, Michael Lim, Chan Kok Yu, Cephas Petersen, Gideon Lau and Steve Chong.
These men like: Daniel Hodges, Ce'Phas Lee, Daniel Hodges, Ce'Phas Lee, Vaughn Winslett, Vincent A. Bess, Nicholas Toh, Steven Anderson, Robert Cruz, Shawn Barnish and Edward King]
[a man named David made some comments but he deleted them all... so there are 'gaps' in the exchanges below]
James
Matthew the bible has been pretty clear on who the Neph.... are from the Beginning and they are not from Kolob...
Do a study on the term "sons of God" and it is pretty clear its a reference to angels.
Sean
Angels are never children of God.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Shawn
Sean, beat me to it! LOL!
At NO time did Angels have sex with women.
Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN Son of God.
Believers BECOME a son via adoption.
In Genesis 6 all it is saying is that the Sons of God (believers) went out and took wives of the daughters of men (unbelievers) thus corrupting themselves.
That's all it meant.
And Giants, men of renown, etc are just big men. But not like what we were taught in Sunday School, etc! LOL!
Goliath was a big man, but I've calculated his height and men his height have existed in MY lifetime.
Sean
Andre the Giant
And that is why you use a king james bible. Every other "version" will lead down the road of false doctrine
Matthew
I get pretty suspicious when some claim almost the same doctrine as mormons.
Sean
Ahhh a bible corrector [rebutting what David said.]
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
You must be a dispensationalist
[imbecile men love to throw labels when they can't handle discussion, sing]
Sean
Tell me why those are not saved humans. Using english and the kjv only
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Show me how "sons of God == angels" [Sean to David]
No you did not [David said he did]
Sing F Lau
Matthew, it is shameful of you to dismiss the teaching of Scriptures by taking potshots instead of sound biblical exegesis, and reasoned presentation!
The 'sons of God' in Gen 6 are REMOTELY the godly Sethites. Supposing they were godly Sethites, godly men marry ungodly daughters of men WILL NEVER, CAN NEVER, HAS NEVER produced what is documented in Gen 6. Even the marriage between the ungodly heathens for many 1000s of years has not produced anything near to what is recorded in Gen 6!
"Sons of god" were NOT imagined fictionalized godly Sethites.
And the puerile term 'fallen angelic marriages' is a very misleading term.
The 'sons of God' were no mere fallen angels. Angels do not marry! Everyone knows that, even idiots! So get it right!!! "Sons of god" DO NOT EQUAL to fallen angels.
The "sons of god" were FALLEN ANGELS who "kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation" (Jude 6), i.e. FALLEN angels who left their own first, native habitation, in the SPIRIT REALM, and TRESPASSED [i.e. left their own native habitation] into the HUMAN REALM (i.e. taking upon themselves humanity and multiplied themselves with daughters of men) with the horrendous result recorded in Gen 6.
And it is a biblical fact that angelic beings can take on real human form, and do the real human activities... just read the various incidents in Genesis.
Nothing else is an adequate explanation of the plain facts stated in Gen 6.
It was Satan's serious attempt to circumvent the appearance of the Seed of the woman, the CRUSHER of his head!!!
Had God not spared Noah...the whole human would have been destroyed... then there would have been no redemption. Satan would have triumphed by circumventing the coming of the promised Messiah.
Sing F Lau
The common and popular idea of 'mixed marriage' between the godly Sethites and the ungodly Cainites - is the most atrocious example of anachronism in biblical interpretation.
Mixed marriage was a MUCH MUCH later issue imported into Gen 6.
And they think that the naive and simplistic and anachronistic view is able to explain what actually happened!
It is as stupid as the Americans attributing their economic woes and sovereign debt to Chinese 'yuan'!
Sean
That's just pure fiction. That is not what scripture says. Nor are you using biblical terms and definitions.
People being saved before gen 6
Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Sing F Lau
And just what has people being saved before Gen 6 help to explain who the sons of God are in Gen 6?
The idea of 'godly' and 'ungodly' is read into the text because of the addiction to SOUND-BYTE.... the term 'sons of God' confuses those addicted to sound byte to introduce the idea of 'godly line' into the picture.
Look at the text:
6:1 ¶ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
It doesn't say godly sons of men marrying the ungodly daughters of men.
It says, "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
The contrast between 'sons of God' and 'daughters of men' is NOT between godly and ungodly. The contrast is between 'offsprings' of God and 'offsprings' of man.
Remember Jesus, the only begotten Son of God - He is the eternal Word made flesh. The 'sons of God' in Gen 6 are the fallen angels who "kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation"... i.e. FALLEN angels who left their own first, native habitation, in the SPIRIT REALM, and TRESPASSED into the HUMAN REALM (i.e. taking upon themselves humanity and multiplied themselves with daughters of men) with the horrendous result recorded in Gen 6.
If you insist that 'daughters of men' refer to ungodly women, then you are saying that verse 1 is speaking of ungodly men multiplying and producing ungodly women.
But verse 1 is PLAINLY a general statement of the human race multiplying as per God's command to them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
Sing F Lau
The 'sons of God' - fallen angels who "kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation" - but took upon themselves human nature, brought about the catastrophic effect that necessitated universal destruction.
But the Son of God - the eternal Word made flesh - brought ETERNAL REDEMPTION.
Matthew
One plain present day facts would totally overthrow these scholars over reading into the hebrew text. And a single verse declared by paul in acts also disputed their claim of another 'type' of hybrid mankind.
Anyone want to guess what are the 2 points are?
Sing F Lau
David, but men like Matthew are selectively blind. They choose to ignore all the biblical facts - they don't even have the courtesy to refute the facts set before them. They will continue to blah blah blah their pet ideas, however inadequate they are shown to be, and even though they contradict, and are discredited with the plain facts f Scriptures.
Matthew
3 points I am going to "highlight":
1) Paul declares these to grecian heathen(which still today they believe are descendents of gods like Hercules and others..., chinese too had this mythos)
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; <<< One verse.
2) Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood. <<< This is another clear verse from KJB which deny any existence of such hybrid mankind.
3) Blood transfusions does NOT care if the blood is jews, grecian, asians or Africans. If you say there is, show a
case where you can draw a blood type from any such "hybrid" mankind and place them under very high densities microscope which
does not show or they do not look like other blood. The Nazi should have checked more properly before they lable other as such "subhuman". So does the japs should have and also the jews today!!!!
Matthew
That is why I support KJB way way way over any scholar "narrations" or interpretation!!!
@Sing: you claim you love chinese because you are one, what does WW2 history told you about how the Japs view chinese, korean race compare to themselves??
Sing F Lau
I love Chinese not because I'm a Chinese. I love them because they too.... though obsessed with pork like you... are also creatures made in the image of God. The Chinese are no worse than the Jews...
O, tell the WW@ history on another thread please. I would love to hear your take on it.
You have DRIFTED far away from your initial point... you don't even have the discipline keep to your subject!!!
Sing F Lau
You are using myths to discredit the Bible's teaching. And that's absolutely pathetic!
If you are honest, you must deal with biblical texts, and exegete them in harmony with the whole of Scriptures.
Even fools can do what you are doing - citing myths to dismiss Scriptures. You have not once exegete the relevant passages. When you do attempt to, you messed them up. For example:
Biblical text quited:
Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Your conclusion:
## This is another clear verse from KJB which deny any existence of such hybrid mankind.
Your wrong assumption: that any of so called 'hybrid mankind' survived the flood, and multiplied. Why, the KJV, and for that matter every other translations INFORMED US in the plainest sense that all those 'hybrid mankind' was COMPLETELY DESTROYED in the flood!
[The universal flood was intended to destroy the 'hybrid mankind' and the Adamic mankind that was severely and universally corrupted by it.] But Noah of the Adamic mankind found grace with the LORD God Jehovah.
You are just too obtuse and stubborn to admit the truth SO PLAINLY STATED. That you raise Gen 10:32 passage as an objection is truly revealing!
Sing F Lau
That is why I support KJB way way way over any scholar "narrations" or interpretation!!!
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You should really say, "That is why I support my own interpretations of KJB way way way over any scholar's narrations or interpretations!!! - like my conclusion on Gen 10:32."
Have a good day!
Sing F Lau
Matthew @ "Blood transfusions does NOT care if the blood is jews, grecian, asians or Africans." ======
So what is the problem? All ARE descended from ONE man Noah and his sons. Why do you expect different blood? You expect some to descend from the 'hybrid mankind'? Noah was NO hybrid mankind. His ancestry was traced directly back to Adam's. He was conceived and born BEFORE the 'sons of God' began messing up with the mankind.
Matthew @ "If you say there is, show a case where you can draw a blood type from any such "hybrid" mankind and place them under very high densities microscope which does not show or they do not look like other blood." ======
EVEN if such hybrid mankind were to exist today, just what make you think their blood would be different? Such 'hybrid mankind' were conceived in the very wombs of the daughters of men - DIDN'T you read the Scriptures?
According to your ABSURD reasoning, you must insist that even Jesus Christ, THE Son of God, must also had different blood.
HOWEVER you missed the whole point. The evil of the 'hybrid mankind' lies NOT in having different blood BUT in its satanic sinfulness and wickedness... they were giants in their evils and wickedness... and corrupted the entire generation of Noah... with the devastating effect recorded here:
4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
READ these two verses AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN... and find a ADEQUATE explanation for such PLAIN FACTS ... then you will begin to understand what was happening!
If you think marriage between godly men and ungodly women can have such effect, you are just TOOOOOOO simplistic, and haven't begin to deal with the problem YET!
And surely, if mixed marriage HAD such devastating effect, and would incur such wrath of God, then it is more than reasonable to expect a PLAIN commandment, SOLEMNLY warning against such evil.
There is none!
