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When regeneration and conversion are not kept and restricted to their own track, what you get is the wreck! Right track, no wreck! |
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May
21, 2015
John
3:8
"The
wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst
not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born
of the Spirit."
It
is stated categorically, "so is every one that is born of the
Spirit."
What
this means is simple and plain enough: all the elect, without any exception, is
regenerated in exactly the same, and needless to say, to exactly the same
extent. So, every elect is regenerated in exactly the one same way, and to the
one same degree.
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Do you agree? If you do, proceed. If you don't, you need not read further.
What
is the one and only absolutely sure and certain way that ALL the elect, without
a single exception, will be be regenerated, between their conception and
physical death?
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Is it regeneration WITH the gospel preaching, or
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Is it regeneration WITHOUT the gospel preaching?
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(If there is a third alternative, please tell us. thanks)
To
those who hold to the "regeneration WITH the gospel preaching",
Let's
say, as you affirm, that regeneration by the Spirit is through the preaching of
the gospel, then these are necessary implications:
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there is absolutely no elect among those who had no opportunity to hear the
gospel; your mantra is, "no preaching, no regeneration!" Therefore,
if there are elect among them, they will be left in their native unregenerated
state, and will eventually end up in the lake of fire.
-
there is absolutely no elect among those who have no ability to hear the
gospel; your mantra is, "no preaching, no regeneration!" Therefore,
if there are elect among them, they will remain in their native state of sin
and death, and will finally end up in the lake of fire.
Since
it is insisted that the divine work of regeneration is dependent upon the human
work of preaching, an activity necessarily performed by a man (Rom 10:14), this
necessarily implies that the eternal salvation of a man is NOW DEPENDENT upon
the activities of other men, since your mantra is, "no preaching, no
regeneration!"
Why
is it so hard to believe that the gospel ministry is for the CONVERSION of
God's children to the truth of their salvation by the free and sovereign grace
of God in Jesus Christ? Why do preachers insist that their gospel ministry has
anything to do with the regeneration of sinners dead in their trespasses and
sins to eternal life? They do most certainly sound so much grander, and
indispensable, to think themselves intimately involved in the begetting of
God's children. They assist God in His work of regeneration.
They
are REFUSE to think that God can regenerate without them! They are incapable to
think that God uses them for the conversion of His children whom He Himself has
already begotten!
I
have never heard of a midwife so stupid to insist that she helps in the
conception of the lives she helps to deliver. But I have heard of many stupid
(i.e. lacking common sense) preachers, with ThD and DD behind their names, who
insist that their activities are necessary to assist God in His work of
begetting His children.
Similarly,
I have never met a farmer who says that the wind will not blow on the farm
unless is present, and doing something on the farm! But countless seminary-trained preachers believe that their presence and activities are necessary for
the Spirit to do His work of regeneration!
When
one is unable to keep regeneration (quickening the dead), and conversion
(turning a living person into the right doctrines and practice) distinct and
separate, there will always be contradictions and inconsistencies at best, and
damnable heresies at worst.
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10
Comments
Bhaskar
Ban
Oh
so sad
Sing
F Lau
Sorry
you are made so sad!!!
Jerry
Chapin
Didn't
see what's sad about the New Birth being ALL of God and NO part left to
man...also, couldn't correlate the train wreck with your article...
Sing
F Lau
When
regeneration and conversion are not kept and restricted to their own track,
what you get is the wreck! Right
track, no wreck!
Jerry
Chapin
Oh!
OK...I can see that correlation...too early in the AM for me I guess...have a
blessed day, Bro. Sing...
Sing
F Lau
It
is 8.20pm here! We are on the opposite side of the small globe. May our Lord
bless you richly.
William
D Martin
Sing,
Why Romans 10:14, please give me some feed back.
Sing
F Lau
Rom
10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how
shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear
without a preacher?
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That's
a good question!
Why
Romans 10:14?
Romans 10:14 declares the necessity of preaching the gospel for the CONVERSION of God's children (elect that are already bestowed with ETERNAL salvation at regeneration to eternal life)... SO THAT God's children can hear, and be brought to know and believe the truth of their salvation by God's free grace in the Lord Jesus Christ.
How shall they hear without a preacher bringing to gospel of their salvation to them? Preaching is very necessary... necessary ONLY for the end appointed by God (i.e. the conversion of His children to the truth of their salvation); not necessary for the end hallucinated by many preachers (regeneration of sinners dead in trespasses and sins by the Spirit.)
How
shall God's children believe in their blessed Saviour without them hearing the
gospel of Jesus Christ? Hearing the gospel is very necessary... necessary ONLY
for the end appointed by God (i.e. the conversion of His children to the truth
of their salvation); not necessary for the end hallucinated by many preachers
(the means for the Spirit to regenerate of sinners dead in trespasses and
sins.)
Just
consider who the passage is dealing with... who does the pronoun
"they" refer to?
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who are they that shall call upon the Lord Jesus Christ when they do hear the
gospel of Jesus Christ?
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who are they that shall believe in Jesus Christ when they do hear the gospel of
Jesus Christ?
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who are they that shall hear the gospel of Jesus Christ when it is preached to
them?
THEY
are them that ARE SAVED; them that HAVE BEEN SAVED by God, and they alone that
are capable of all those things.
THEY
are NOT them that are still in their native state of sin and death! Many
preachers imagine so, thus believing their preaching activities are involved in
the regeneration of sinners dead in trespasses and sins.
1Cor
1:18
For
the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us
which are saved it is the power of God.
Do
I make sense? I like good questions.
Marty-Sandy
Smith
Amen.
Regeneration, or giving everlasting life to those dead in trespasses and sin,
is all of God (monergistic), and man is the passive beneficiary of regeneration
by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Conversion,
or giving gospel food to those with life in Jesus Christ, is a synergistic work
of God and man, and man is blessed to be an active participant in that gospel.
Conversion
does not precede or accompany regeneration, but conversion is made possible by
regeneration.
Jerry
Chapin
Good
exegesis from you both...and on the conversion part, how wonderful when that
little sheep sees, for the first time, what his Lord has done and how he's kept
in and by the power of God...blessings to you both...
