Things New and Old

Ancient truths revealed in the Scriptures are often forgotten, disbelieved or distorted, and therefore lost in the passage of time. Such ancient truths when rediscovered and relearned are 'new' additions to the treasury of ancient truths.

Christ showed many new things to the disciples, things prophesied by the prophets of old but hijacked and perverted by the elders and their traditions, but which Christ reclaimed and returned to His people.

Many things taught by the Apostles of Christ have been perverted or substituted over the centuries. Such fundamental doctrines like salvation by grace and justification have been hijacked and perverted and repudiated by sincere Christians. These doctrines need to be reclaimed and restored to God's people.

There are things both new and old here. "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things"
2Ti 2:7.

Saturday, January 16, 2021

This is something NEW under the sun!


Whatever has gone wrong, a reformed man making statements like these:

"Old Testament saints were not regenerated and Spirit filled, even though declared righteous by God... Indewelling was not till Pentecost... No person was born again of the Spirit before Pentecost... Abraham was never a new man as are the new testament saints."

Have you heard such things before?
 

Sing F Lau
Here is the complete quote... just to be sure that I am not accused of quoting out of context:

"Old Testament saints were not regenerated and Spirit filled, even though declared righteous by God.

The Spirit would come upon them and sometimes remain... for some time, but was never an indewelling entity. Indewelling was not till Pentecost, although John the Baptist seems to be an exception. No person was born again of the Spirit before Pentecost. Jesus breathed on Peter and some of the other disciples and said receive the Holy Spirit, but they were not born again until Pentecost.

In Romans 5 and 6, Paul describes the process of being born again from an objective point of view. Therefore having been justified by faith, this is the very first step. Then he follows step by step through chapter 6.

Abraham was never a new man as are the new testament saints."
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The author claims to be a reformed man.
This is something NEW under the sun!
Have you read such things in the Holy Scriptures? 

Alan Lloyd
why then does David say in Psalm 51 take not thy Spirit from me if he was not being continually indwelt, people need to deal with the junk their taught in seminaries. 

Ashley Juliot
I know of a "reformed" pastor who said this very thing to me a few weeks ago... He is also a dispensationalist. 

Charles Page
I knew he was in trouble when he commented that to your post! LOL 

Jerry Chapin
" Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Mt.15:14 

Jerry Chapin
@Sing, Pretty soon they'll be addressing each other as, Reformed Reverend So and So. 

Sing F Lau
I begin to think that the label 'reformed' is very fashionable, and men love to label themselves 'reformed' to give themselves an air of 'superiority' and 'scholarship'.

PERHAPS [sic] that may be why EVEN a donkey of a man would also want to have the elitist 'reformed' label. 

Alan Lloyd
or they just like to avoid the stigma attached to calvinism maybe! 

DJ Keesee
Apparently, Old Testament saints will not see the Kingdom? 

Alan Lloyd
thought they were already in it. 

Sing F Lau
ALL SAINTS - i.e. separated from their native state of sin and death to that of grace and salvation - WILL BE IN HEAVEN.

Many OT saints did not see the kingdom of heaven inaugurated by Christ's coming. The 'kingdom of heaven' is chiefly a term used to contrast the new covenant kingdom of heaven against the old earthly theocratic kingdom of Israel.

Some OT saints were in the old earthly theocratic kingdom of Israel. They did enter the kingdom of heaven.

Many of God's saints were neither part of the old earthly theocratic kingdom of Israel nor the kingdom of heaven.