Pristine grace? Far from it!

See the short article here:
http://www.pristinegrace.org/media.php?id=405&fbclid=IwAR2YPJnG2404CGd-e-i9sqSwN_j1K27F4G6nMUPXvMlWJ5yCPwdgSRdgpQM

I happened upon a short article above at the PristineGrace.org and inquired a bit.

“… I, of course, believe that all the elect come to a knowledge of their Lord through faith alone. This is the cardinal doctrine of the reformation, and anything that goes against this is plain anti-christ….”

Here is the exchange that took place

Sing 

In your short article, I read this line:

"I, of course, believe that all the elect come to a knowledge of their Lord through faith alone. This is the cardinal doctrine of the reformation."

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May I inquire to make sure I understand what you are saying:

1. Are you saying that all the elect, without exception, will come to a knowledge of their Lord, i.e. there is no elect who will not come to a knowledge of their Lord?

2. Does the elect's coming to a knowledge of their Lord through faith alone require them to hearing and believing the gospel of Christ?

Thanks. I am curious to see how pristine is the grace you set before us.

Predestinarian Network
1) All elect come to knowledge - without exception.

2) How will they believe unless they hear the truth? God imparts knowledge of the Gospel to all of His people.

Sing

How does God impart knowledge of the gospel to all His people? You say, "It is through the preaching of the gospel to all His people, and all of His people hearing the gospel and believing the gospel."

Do I understand you right?

Predestinarian Network
The Holy Spirit directly imparts knowledge of the Gospel to His people at His appointed time.

"And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul." Act 16:14 (KJV)

Sing
Now, that confusing.

Acts 16:14 DOESN'T say the Holy Spirit directly imparts knowledge of the gospel. If that is true, the preaching of Paul would be redundant.

The passage says the Lord opened her heart to attend unto the THINGS WHICH WERE SPOKEN OF PAUL.

So, it is not directly but through the instrument of the preached word.

Do I get it right? God will impart the knowledge of the gospel to each and every of His elect, without exception, through the preaching and hearing and believing of the gospel.

Thanks.

Predestinarian Network
God causes the preaching of the Gospel. He also causes the understanding of the Gospel. In fact, He causes ALL THINGS. He does it all for His Glory. We hope that is a satisfactory answer for you.

Sing

Actually, I'm just trying to understand your idea of pristine grace. Thanks.

So, God causes the preaching of the gospel, He causes the preaching of the gospel to reach every single elect in every generation and in every place, He causes every elect to have the mental capacity to hear the gospel and to believe the gospel. Therefore, every elect without exception, by absolute divine sovereignty, will hear the gospel and be converted.

Is my understanding of pristine grace correct? Thanks.

Predestinarian Network

Yes, we would agree with that.

Sing

Thank you. (The pronoun “we” does not include me. I’m merely stating your position.)

You said, "I, of course, believe that all the elect come to a knowledge of their Lord through faith alone. This is the cardinal doctrine of the reformation.”

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By the cardinal doctrine of the protestant reformation, do you mean:

- ALL THE ELECT come to a knowledge of their Lord?

- or all the elect come to a knowledge of their Lord THROUGH FAITH ALONE?

If I can demonstrate to you from Protestant confessions of faith the FALSITY of both, will you accept it?

Predestinarian Network

This is not a debate channel, nor do we place any stock in the reformed creeds or confessions. Thanks.

Sing

I'm not debating, just doubting your magisterial claim of something being the cardinal doctrine of the reformation.

You place great value on the cardinal doctrine of the Protestant reformation. So I thought we should see what their confessions say.

Thanks. I take my leave.
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Four weeks later, Predestinarian Network responded.

Predestinarian Network

Sing, we saw what you did there on your blog. Your questions were not asked in good faith - but as a way to attack and smear us on the internet. At least have the decency to say what you think is wrong.

We also notice that you associate with that cult - Church of Greenville and Jonathan Crosby.

Sing

Thanks for responding. There is no need of accusing me of this and that. Just stick to the issue dealt with in the article.

It is a pity that you felt attacked and smeared - even though I have only copied and pasted our question@answer exchanges.

I did ask in good faith, very careful of understanding your point correctly, to make sure I do not misrepresent you.

Perhaps in your understanding as an absoluter, this carefulness on my part is also predestinated, your precise answers were also predestinated, your accusation of being attacked and smeared was also predestinated.

I would appreciate it if you reason out which part of my article is wrong, and what is the truth. That way there may be some benefits for us both.

Predestinarian Network

[PN made further nasty remarks about GC and JC... shameless and disgraceful. 

After being warned of his dastardly and evil act of not dealing with issues but picking on people, PN deleted slanderous posts.