On July 12 Thursday at 10:41pm ·
Matt Hew wrote:
John Calvin of Geneva and Jacob Arminus did NOT supported this. However, 2 verses guarantee this perseverance much better than all the words of creature. Said explicitly by the Lord of Glory Himself, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Godhead manifested in the flesh of mankind:
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
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Eternal Glory. John 6:39 is rather explicit. John 10:29 is declaration of the Omnipotent of the Godhead to guarantee that success. That is how I read it.
Sing F Lau
Did you actually check out what the two men said on those passages before making the declaration about them???
This is part of Calvin's commentary on John 6:39
"... This promise is highly necessary for us, who miserably groan under so grea...t weakness of the flesh, of which every one of us is sufficiently aware; and at every moment, indeed, the salvation of the whole world might be ruined, were it not that believers, supported by the hand of Christ, advance boldly to the day of resurrection..."
His commentary on John 10:29 includes this,
"And none can wrest them out of my Father’s hand." The word 'and,' in this passage, means therefore For, since the power of God is invincible, Christ infers that the salvation of believers is not exposed to the ungovernable passions of their enemies, because, ere they perish, God must be overcome, who has taken them under the protection of his hand.
What do you make of that?
Making potshots at someone or something with no chance of self-defense is unbecoming of godliness.See More
Matt Hew
But they turn around and plainly deny it later? Is that not double tongue?
Matt Hew
What do you make of that?
Making potshots at someone or something with no chance of self-defense is unbecoming of godliness.<<< What about Paul at the mars hill on the dead Grecian philosophers? Is that not open rebuke at someone that could... not have defended themselves?
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Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
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Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, *some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. *See More
Matt Hew
ye are too superstitious. <<< Statement declaring their mixed believes inherited from their heathen grecian culture including their famous various vain philosophers. Just like the chinese also have many such "teachers"
Sing F Lau
Matt Hew, you quoted two SPECIFIC VERSES... so I checked those two verses, and that's what Calvin commented on those two verses.
You picked on Calvin on those two verses... and I have simply shown you what Calvin said about those two verses.... You have MISREPRESENTED Calvin on those two specific passages. That's clear to everyone who read the comments here.
There is no need to run amok, and raise all sort of red herrings. Just be a bit careful.
Paul quoted the dead Grecian philosophers to affirm a biblical truth.
Paul did not MISREPRESENT the dead Grecian philosophers.
You miss the whole point!
Take a rest. Rinse your mind with some Clorox!!!
Matt Hew
Paul quoted the dead Grecian philosophers to affirm a biblical truth.
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I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. <<< You read this as affirmation?? Hmm...I tot I was the one from british ex-colonial chinnice school.
Sing F Lau
Matt Hew you are just so obtuse, as well as confused... and incorrigible tooooo!
When Paul said, "I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious" - was he quoting from any Grecian philosophers at all?
Here, this is what Paul 'quoted' the Grecian philosophers or :
" 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
Read verse 28 again... here Paul is 'QUOTING' - "AS CERTAIN ALSO OF YOUR OWN POETS HAVE SAID."
That's the only QUOTATION in this passage!
And Paul quoted the Grecian poets/philosophers to affirm a biblical truth stated.
Uncle Matt Hew, you are one INCORRIGIBLE man!
And whatever type of school one was from... there is no advantage whatsoever... nor disadvantage. So, it is just plain stupid to introduce a red herring like that.
I have been advised not to waste anymore time with you, Matt Hew.
May be their is wisdom in that advice.
May be you should unfriend me on FB... so that I won't be a thorn in your flesh!
